Angered By Zimmerman Verdict, Some Call for a Boycott of Florida Businesses

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The acquittal of George Zimmerman in the 2012 killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin kicked off protests around the country, as well as calls for a boycott of Florida—where the trial took place, and where a controversial “Stand Your Ground” law still exists.

Since the six-woman jury acquitted Zimmerman over the weekend, a petition has been floated at MoveOn.org to boycott Florida tourism, and various Facebook pages have been created (Boycott Florida, Boycott Florida Economy), one featuring a photo of Mickey Mouse and the words “Just Say No.” At Twitter the #BoycottFlorida hashtag has been getting plenty of action.

People who are upset with the Zimmerman verdict have even been voicing their anger at the official Visit Florida Facebook page. “I really LOVE vacationing in Florida, but I cannot, in good conscience, take my kids to Florida, or visit Florida again ever!!” reads a statement from one commenter, responding to a contest to win a vacation in Key West.

(MORE: Viewpoint: Was Zimmerman Telling the Truth?)

A pastor in Nashville, and a Huffington Post travel editor are among those who have chimed in with their support of a full-on Florida boycott, while protesters in Philadelphia seem to be focusing on boycotting Florida oranges and orange juice specifically.

On early Sunday morning in Washington, D.C., protesters marched and held signs reading “Boycott Florida.” Justice wasn’t available through the court system, one protester explained to the Washington Post, and so “we will have to get justice in other ways and a boycott of tourism in Florida is one way of doing that,” she said.

But can a boycott help justice be achieved in this case? For that matter, under what circumstances can boycotts accomplish much of anything? Daniel Diermeier, a professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management who has written about consumer boycotts in the past, said in a phone interview that it’s difficult to measure the effectiveness of such protests. “It’s very common for a boycott to hurt the local economy,” he said. “Things like conventions can be cancelled.”

Arizona reportedly saw its convention business slide after passing tough immigration laws in 2010, prompting boycotts. It helps the cause if celebrities and well-known figures get involved, to keep the issue top of mind in the public, Diermeier said, pointing to Barbra Streisand announcing her support of a Colorado boycott over anti-gay legislation in the early 1990s. (On Monday, musical great Steve Wonder joined the boycott of Florida, and implored his fans to do the same, according to the Hollywood Reporter.)

(MORE: The Lesson of George Zimmerman’s Not Guilty Verdict)

“What’s less clear is whether or not boycotts accomplish their stated objectives,” he said. “Very often, the protesters do not state clear objectives. This appears to be the case [in Florida]. They are more driven by outrage.”

What’s more, if and when change does take place, it’s hard to measure clear cause and effect. Things get especially complicated when activists are divided as to whether or not boycotts are aimed at the intended target. Several months after the Arizona boycott was born, immigration advocates were split, according to the New York Times, with some keeping up the boycott as a means to punish the state, and others calling for the boycott to end because it harmed the immigrants and businesses that protesters sought to help. Similarly, some have questioned the wisdom of boycotting the Olive Garden, Hooter’s, Walt Disney World, and other brands just because of their presence in Florida. As one Facebook commenter put it:

These companies employ a large number of African Americans. How does boycotting a company important to the economy of communities like Trayvon’s honor him or do anything but impact those people negatively?

Nonetheless, Diermeier said that the Zimmerman verdict can serve as a rallying call. “Events like this create what we call ‘policy windows,'” openings in which awareness of an issue or movement reaches new heights—and when the odds of change increase sharply. But again, protesters need to focus on a goal that’s more specific and worthwhile than spoiling sales of Florida oranges for a few months, or getting a handful of groups to cancel their conventions in Orlando next year. “The real failure of the ‘Occupy’ movement was that it didn’t translate into concrete policy,” said Diermeier, “and that’s partly because the objectives were so vague.”

(MORE: Faces of Protest for Trayvon Martin)

As for the calls for a Florida boycott, he said, “It’s not clear what it would mean to be successful. Is it a law passed? A follow-up trial? The anger needs to be translated into something concrete.”

While some boycott organizers call specifically for Florida to get rid of “Stand Your Ground” legislation, or for the government to bring Zimmerman up on federal charges, protesters should be on the same page if they hope to be successful. Without a clear-cut goal, Diermeier said, the boycotts are merely “giving voice to moral outrage,” and “any effect is typically short-term.”

62 comments
AmandaJones
AmandaJones

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are two of the men who are stirring up
racial dissension by asking their followers to boycott Florida. But has anyone
ever taken into consideration their logic and thought processes?

Here's an infamous Al Sharpton quote: “White folks was [sic] in caves
while we was building empires…. We taught philosophy and astrology and
mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” - Al Sharpton
. . . Wow, Al. Good thing you weren't teaching an English class!
Someone needs to teach him all about subject/verb agreement!

Next let's talk about Jesse Jackson who referred to Jews as "Hymies" and to New
York City as "Hymietown," back in the '80s. You thought he would have
learned his lesson right? No! He hasn't! In fact, he's back again, this
time insulting Floridians, calling Florida an "apartheid state" and the
"Selma of our times." These two men called for the boycott of Florida.
So what do their followers do? They start to boycott Florida. So where
is Jesse and Al Sharpton - in Florida! Jesse has been with the Dream
Defenders in Tallahassee, and Al Sharpton joined the NABJ in Orlando for their
convention. How do you expect me to take this boycott seriously? Think
about the leaders of the Florida boycott movement and how much sense
they make! So, if their followers, who can't seem to think for themselves, want to boycott Florida, the only people who won't be coming are the very people Jesse
and Al influence. And after taking into consideration their logic and
actions, I'm actually happy that these people won't be coming to Florida, where I
live! In reality, this boycott is counterproductive. It's keeping the
very people you really wouldn't want coming to visit, out of Florida.

_Guest
_Guest

The Florida people said to BRING ON THE BOYCOTT. They are not afraid.

Well, then.....BOYCOTT FLORIDA!

FLORIDA COULD BE HIT BY TOURISM BOYCOTT OVER STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW
Written by JOSÉ E. PÉREZ and MOHAMED HAMALUDIN

Following the snubbing of South Africa anti-apartheid leader Nelson Mandela by city of Miami and Miami-Dade County officials during his 1990 visit to the area, Smith organized a boycott of Miami’s vital tourism industry that lasted some 1,000 days. He estimates the action cost the industry some $103 million.

For that protest move, organizers relied on fax machines, the telephone and even bulletins in churches, calling on national black organizations not to hold conventions in Miami. The boycott ended after tourism authorities developed a program to provide jobs and internships for blacks.

“The advantage this time is we have the Internet,” Smith said.


Cancel all the CONVENTIONS in Florida and move them elsewhere!
BOYCOTT FLORIDA!

Don't hold any  CONVENTIONS in Florida at all.

_Guest
_Guest

Since the Florida locals say that boycotting Florida will not affect them and to bring it on then

BOYCOTT FLORIDA!

Give that $70 billion Florida Tourism to Las Vegas, California, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Hawaii, Alaska, etc. Beautiful places where everyone is welcome. No racism, no corruption, no segregation in all these tourist places. In Florida, you will get murdered and it is justified killing to the people there.

Disneyland, the best Disneyland is in Anaheim, CALIFORNIA

Universal Studios, the real one is in Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA

Legoland, the best one is in Carlsbad, CALIFORNIA

Seaworld, the best one is in San Diego, CALIFORNIA

And many more attractions in CALIFORNIA like the following:

1. Yosemite

2. Redwood National Park

3. Venice Beach and all kinds of beaches

4. Death Valley

5. Lake Tahoe

6. Golden Gate Bridge and Alcatraz Island, Fisherman's Wharf

7. Hollywood

8. Ski Resorts - Bear Valley, Lake Tahoe, Mammoth, and Yosemite

9. Big Sur

10. San Diego Zoo

When you go to California, Arizona, Las Vegas, Wyoming, etc. you get your money's worth. Explore California, Arizona, Las Vegas, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Oregon, etc.  You do not need to carry a gun to feel safe to vacation at these places. You meet FRIENDLY people and hot-looking people like yourselves.

Florida is no longer in the map, you can take it off from your GPS.

AmandaJones
AmandaJones



I have to ask this one question regarding the boycott. Now some people are saying we should boycott orange juice. But the leader of orange juice in the USA is Tropicana. Its parent company is PepsiCo. PepsiCo corp. is actually located in Chicago and so is Tropicana and its employees. What is your plan to boycott PepsiCo and Tropicana? You know that when you drink a Pepsi you are supporting Tropicana's parent company PepsiCo? And isn't Beyonce in partnership with PepsiCo and Tropicana? Didn't Beyonce sign a 50-million-dollars contract with PepsiCo and Tropicana? How do you boycott PepsiCo and all its food and beverage products? And isn't this going to hurt Tropicana's employees in Chicago?

http://www.pepsico.com/PressRelease/GET-BEYONCE-NOW04042013.html

Things2ThinkAbout
Things2ThinkAbout

Who do these people think they will be hurting by boycotting Florida and Florida businesses? Do you think you will be hurting the major corporations or the people in charge of making changes? No. You will only be hurting the locals, the employees who work paycheck to paycheck, and the people who may not agree with this law at all. It is not only unfair it is irresponsible to make such acquisitions. I read multiple news stories, including one where an infant was shot and killed in his stroller. Why are we not standing ground on this? Why are we not flooding the national news scene with this? Ridiculous.

clarkite1968
clarkite1968

I strongly disagree with those that feel a boycott would have no effect on how the State of Florida responds to the concerns of its black and brown citizens.  If you don't think boycotts can work, Goggle "Montgomery Bus Boycott."  More than 40,000 members of the Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. just held their annual meeting in Washington, DC.  Who doesn't think that the loss of conventions by organizations with large numbers of African-American members wouldn't hurt the economy of Florida.  Be for real!!!  

Now to those who say a boycott would hurt black, brown and poor citizens - this is a valid point to a certain extent.  However, all boycotts initially hurt those they are intended to help. Some lost jobs, lost their freedom and lost their lives during the boycotts of the civil rights era.  There are no gains without pains.  There must sacrifices if we are to bring Florida and later other states that feel its OK to disenfranchise and kill its minority citizens to their economic knees. We are entering a new civil rights era.

i suggest the boycotts be extended to the NFL teams located in Florida.  Nothing has the media attention in this country and to some extent internationally like the National Football League.  There should be peaceful demonstrations and picket lines at away games involving teams from Tampa Bay, Jacksonville and Miami.  All Disney holdings (ABC, ESPN, movies, television shows, books and magazines, etc.) should be boycotted.  Other amusement parks in Florida such as Sea World, Busch Gardens, Universal Studios, Holy Land Experience, etc. must not be visited for at least five years.  Oranges and other fruits and vegetables grown in Florida should not be purchased.  Cruises that originate in Florida or dock at ports in Florida should be boycotted.

Finally, I would ask those that oppose a "Boycott Florida" Movement, what viable choices do we have before us that will bring about change?  It appears the courts will not help us at this time and especially a Supreme Court with a conservative (read racist) majority, a Congress dominated by far-right Republicans and their even further right Tea Party comrades, and not a POTUS that  finds himself and his plans and policies attacked by opponents on the right and far left.

talfonso
talfonso

I have a suggestion to all who are boycotting Florida once you've cancelled plans to travel there - come to the Philippines! Cheaper food, lodging, health care, etc. Some areas don't have an SYG law! You just have to know where to look! Also a great place to relocate if it isn't possible with Florida because of SYG! I've heard of many foreign retirees reaping the benefits of living there!

DianaBaskin
DianaBaskin

I personally wouldn't feel safe in FL.  The law isn't made to protect people like me who might be scary and suspicious looking to some.  If a person can chase as person and follow them and still get off for killing them I don't feel safe there.  I will never go to FL and I will boycott the companies who supported Zimmerman's defense.  That shows they think a blacks kids life isn't worth much.   Haters can say what they want.  Just like they have a right to hate us and support Zimmerman we have a right to not support a state that has a stand your ground law that says you can kill people if you are afraid.  SYG code for put Blacks in the ground.

ScottDeBeaubien
ScottDeBeaubien

I find the media and the President to be mostly at fault for “Inciting” violence in the wake of the lawful and legal and completely sane verdict. Any thinking person knows that according to the law, the State of Florida never had a case against Zimmerman. A couple articles that may help:

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/07/16/is-this-still-america-n1640987/page/full#

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/16/trayvon-martins-death-and-the-naacps-blaxploitation-of-the-right-to-life/

small_axe
small_axe

It's the only answer. Florida, and the country needs to be taught a lesson. And that lesson is that if you allow right wing blow hards and racists to set your agenda, there WILL be a price to pay. I hope the boycott comes and is deep and brutal in its scope. I hope Florida businesses are made to suffer greatly.

These right wingers are going to get more and more violent as they realize how fully they have lost their national influence.

They apparently can't accept living in a multi-racial country and can't accept that their worldview is rightly seen as repugnant by the majority.

Sianie
Sianie

Fine. Don't come. Stay home. But I must say that you are being silly to boycott orange juice. Seriously?

yabbazabbazoo
yabbazabbazoo

I will rejoice on the day that we manage to keep everyone of these ignorant misinformed fools and their ill gotten money out of our beautiful state. Anyone dumb enough to not understand that to defend ones own life in the face of imminent death or severe bodily harm is a right for every individual is more than welcome to go on vacation to California or Massachusetts and hang out with all the other liberal idiots who are happily throwing away their freedoms. In Florida, we believe in the right to defend ourselves against violent threats with the use of deadly force when justified and we have no intention of giving up those rights because a bunch of sensationalist idiots can't see through the veil of misinformation provided by the mass media in this case. If the news outlets had reported on this case in a responsible manner in the first place (rather than depicting Zimmerman as being a white man and Trayvon as being a 12 year old boy) then we would have never had to waste hundredsof thousands of dollars on this debacle. Yet our "black" president (who consequently has more whiteBlood in him than George Zimmerman) and our joke of an attorney general have whipped the nation into a frenzy and have continued to demand that we waste even more money on a federal civil rights investigation, even though the FBI has already determined that this was not a racially motivated incident. So please, keep your money and your ignorance out of our state, and if possible, go ahead and accept any floridians who share your point of view with open and loving arms as they too will hopefully be leaving.

Pyrrho
Pyrrho

Florida. Armpit of America!

ChrisPasquariello
ChrisPasquariello

There are tons of elderly people (in retirement communities) there who are easy targets for violence, theft, and other criminal mischief. They have no chance of changing the laws which would make a large part of that population vulnerable. I have a feeling that the people who are calling for a boycott aren't ones who could afford a plane ticket in the first place. Get over it and worry about the repercussions of the Antonio Santiago trial.

wam
wam

LynnDe,

I not sure if your numbers are correct because I through that they were a lot higher.

Also the reason that Florida and other states has “"Stand your Ground" law is because we all got tired being threaten by gang banger and thugs robbing us at the gas station, stores, etc. and mostly breaking into our homes when we are there with our family and being beaten, raped and murder by these thugs.You take away the law abiding peoples guns, then only the thugs will have guns.

I have lived in five different states, Northeast, Southwest and now in the South.I have never seen anywhere I have lived with so much violent crimes as I have seen on the news in Orlando/Orange county and Jacksonville. Every day, every night, it never ends

wam
wam

SteveSmith2

You hit the nail on the head, people need to look at his Facebook photos that are on the web before his family shutdown the site and gave the media the cute pictures of a little kid.  He was not this young little kid that the media was posting, he was a young strong man that was already suspended (3 times) from school for having drugs on school grounds, (that why he was in Sanford, because his mom couldn’t control him so she sent him up to live with his father). His Facebook account pictures showed him holding a chrome 9 mm and talking about getting a gun and getting in to fights.His Facebook pictures also showed him with no shirt on so you could see his Gang Bang tattoos.The state prosecutor made sure that these items would not be allowed during the trial; after all they wanted the jury to see TM as a cute little kid.

belgo
belgo

Florida Keys resident here. Let me assure you that my income does not depend on taxes or tourism. The Overseas Highway is already unsafe and it is nearly impossible to turn left, even now (the "off season"). I don't care what the political angle is, but I wholeheartedly support this boycott of Florida tourism. Where do I sign, and who can I send money to? This is a truly fantastic idea.

j45ashton
j45ashton

Without some kind of reaction, nothing happens.  There was shooting.  Until self defense is proven, a shooting is a crime.  It's not up to the police to make a decision about self defense.  Yet, the police didn't arrest Zimmerman for 6 weeks and then only in response to public reaction.  Why was that?   The prosecution was disorganized and the most poorly executed prosecution I've ever seen & I've served on 4 juries.  The case for manslaughter was never effectively made.   The crime was the shooting.  Who the shooter was was never in doubt.  It was up to the defense to show that Zimmerman reasonably thought his life was in danger. They never did that nor did the prosecutor focus on this.  Self defense 'yes or no' & mansluaghter were the essence of this case.  Why wasn't there a more capable prosecution made?   All this smacks of differences in racial treatment and there should be reaction & outrage about that.

LynnDe
LynnDe

People seem to be acquiring pack mentality (tactics of community organizers) as a means to continue racial division and polarization in America.  The pack is now in an uproar, so lets go on a rampage. Reason, rationale, cooperation, fairness, complete and accurate presentation of facts are a thing of the past. Race hustling, rage, indignation, street violence, mob protests, retaliation, lack of facts, & ignorance are the new norm. Really....blame, penalize, and punish a whole state for one case. Throw the baby out with the basket. Now that's real smart. Where are all these idiots who want justice for Trayvon, but are blinded to the injustice of thousands of other black teens who are viciously murdered every year? These murdered youths have parents who need consoling, and justice also? : 8,000-9,000 African-Americans are murdered each year. The shameful truth is that 93% of African-American murders are committed by other African-Americans!! Those are statistics. That is breathtakingly awful when you consider how incensed the African-American community is about the Trayvon case. It's a human tragedy at work on a daily basis, no matter what you believe about Zimmerman’s guilt. The national tally of black males 14 and older murdered in America from 1976 through 2005, according to U.S. Bureau of Justice statistics: 214,661. Is the blood of these sons somehow less important? But that’s still not the end of the story. Add to that number 51,892 black females ages 14 and older, plus five whose gender was not identifiable, and the total, not counting children, is 295,893 — more than the combined U.S. losses of World War I, the Vietnam war, Korean and Mexican-American wars, the War of 1812 and the American Revolutionary War. And they want to make a spectacle of the Trayvon case? America, you are losing it!  The facts and evidence were weighed and examined. A jury decided a verdict. Done!!!  If you don't like the results,  then try to change the stupid mentality that is prevailing & dominating our society, the airwaves, television, rap music, social and alphabet media channels. Nothing is going to change till thought processes and reactive behavior does. Responsible accountability of behavior in all areas of society and government need to return to America. Fix the mess...don't create more.

goblue562
goblue562

Yep.. that'll really show them.  Like "the state of Florida" is to blame ..  Unfortunately the people who are screaming the loudest know nothing of the facts that were presented during the trial, and all they know is that a white man shot a black man, and read the highly inflammatory media accounts of what happened. 

TheMathTutor
TheMathTutor

There is always collateral damage in warfare, because there are always overlaps between opposing sides in battlespace.  Sure, some Black Americans will be hurt by the boycott.  But that does not change the fact that a boycott will affect the bottom line of corporations that feed Florida's political machine, and force it to select changes in Floridian policy and jurisprudence.  There were black employees that worked for the bus companies targeted by the Montgomery Bus Boycott that closed down, and I am sure their loss of jobs provided them with setbacks.  But history has shown those boycotts to be for the greater good of American progress.  Likewise, an all out boycott of the state of Florida is the best lawful course of action to take in order to destroy Florida's racist political machine (in addition to Floridians selecting better politicians).

PikeB
PikeB

The passage of so-called "stand your ground" laws in Florida and other states, provide legal sanction for disoriented and violent individuals to take the lives of others they deem to be threats to their safety.

Florida is not a safe place to take your family for vacation as long as Florida law permits a citizen to shoot or kill you for merely looking suspicious, and to do it with impunity. Boycott Florida tourism until this dangerous law is overturned. If the murder of Trayvon Martin isn't enough to get lawmaker's attention, maybe a loss in revenue to the state would be.

IdonwannaTellya
IdonwannaTellya

The maroons that don't like the verdict now think they can "boycott" FL businesses in some lame attempt to punish random people. Go ahead. These fools would be punishing ALL races. How stupid can people be?

Of course, there would also be a backlash for any attempt to do this - I wonder how many non-black people would punish black businesses...

One thing is for sure, actions like this are going to create a deeper racial divide in this country. Good going protesters! You're only going to hurt yourselves.

e2track
e2track

@Sianie 

You are not that smart! Do you know how much orange juice is exported from florida? That is your biggest money maker in Florida, even bigger than Disney World! If we were to organize and actually boycott orange juice Florida would lose so much money, that laws would change.  Money talks!

CanofSand
CanofSand

@Pyrrho Florida is an entire arm. The pit is clearly in Miami-Dade.

CanofSand
CanofSand

@j45ashton "There was shooting.  Until self defense is proven, a shooting is a crime."

How can you even claim to be an American?

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

AND HE WAS PROVEN *NOT GUILTY*.

The end.

The police didn't arrest Zimmerman because they didn't have enough evidence. No intellectually honest person would ever say otherwise, not even the ignorant, for the ignorant would say nothing if they were intellectually honest about it.

PikeB
PikeB

@goblue562 

What facts are you talking about?..Zimmerman was the instigator in this tragedy. If he had not followed Trayvon Martin and provoked him, Trayvon Martin would be alive today. But because of that backward frontier mentality anti people "stand your ground" mindless law; Zimmerman was able to kill with impunity and had the law on his side on every possible level. This Florida despicable law sets America backward as a civilized nation. 

ChrisPasquariello
ChrisPasquariello

@TheMathTutor I remember a time when populations were free to choose for themselves who they wanted to represent them, without threat of coercion by outside forces. What are you going to tell your grandkids when they ask you what "America" was?

goblue562
goblue562

@TheMathTutor So hurting the Mom and Pop stores, the hotels, the restaurants, the citrus growers, people of ALL races, oh, and let's not forget Mickey Mouse, etc, is the answer?   These folks have nothing to do with the "political machine".  The "political machine" didn't acquit Zimmerman.  Jurors did.  Jurors who heard all of the facts presented in the case.  The only facts that you heard were what you read in a biased media..  Racism is unfortunately rampant throughout the whole country (and probably the world..), do you think that we should boycott the US?  Do you REALLY think that boycotts of a WHOLE STATE would do anything but hurt more innocent people than you would those that need to change?   Yeah, that'll show 'em.

ChrisPasquariello
ChrisPasquariello

Do you play the flute? You're like the Pied Piper without a flute. Only works with a musical instrument. Your words will not be able to lead the people to disarmament. Americans are stupid, but not that stupid.

Thegirl1
Thegirl1

@IdonwannaTellya Hey stupid we ready for this. We welcome any outside support we can get. And we not worried about our business. As long as it destroys your your race. We sick of you demonic satanic people hate us because the color of our skin. Burn in hell.

Thegirl1
Thegirl1

@IdonwannaTellya Hey Stupid. They not punishing the black people here in Florida welcome their support.  I should know. 


TheMathTutor
TheMathTutor

@IdonwannaTellya Boycotts have always led to their end goals when carried out.  As far as black businesses go, see my comments above:

mrtsupastar
mrtsupastar

Trust me the only thing your savage race respects is the almighty dollar, and change will come sooner than later when money is involved. When that same Stand Your Ground law affect someone in your family you will be whistling a different tune. I hope that a boycott will bring this evil pit of hell to its knees and choke the life out of it until they start treating everyone like a human beings. I will never go back or take my hard earn dollars there. So run and tell that....

small_axe
small_axe

@CanofSand @Pyrrho Looks like you need to study up on both geography and human anatomy. That is clearly NOT where the pit is. Good grief are you stupid.

CanofSand
CanofSand

@PikeB @goblue562 You just proved his point. Again:

the people who are screaming the loudest know nothing of the facts that were presented during the trial, and all they know is that a white man shot a black man, and read the highly inflammatory media accounts of what happened.

small_axe
small_axe

@goblue562 @TheMathTutor Yes. To hell with Florida. Those 'innocent' floridians aren't really innocent. They let sick twisted hateful right wing blow hard racist crackers set policy for the state, and now you will all have to suffer together.

therealdude
therealdude

@goblue562 @TheMathTutor While not directly a part of the political machine, business can definitely can cause change in things like the stand your ground laws if their bottom line is affected. After all, they are constituents and some of them with considerable money with something to lose in this if many people do boycott.

CanofSand
CanofSand

@Thegirl1 @IdonwannaTellya "Burn in hell."

No thanks. Why would I ever want to join you there? I'm obviously not welcome as a visitor, what with you being an evil racist and all, and me not being evil or racist.

CanofSand
CanofSand

@Thegirl1 @IdonwannaTellya Brainwashed people don't know what's best for them, all the while claiming WE don't know what's best for ourselves and trying to FORCE us to do things their way. Rot, racists and tyrants, all of you.

goblue562
goblue562

@TheMathTutor    "Always"?   Really?   Give us a complete list other than the one that you indicated above.

CanofSand
CanofSand

@mrtsupastar Stand Your Ground wasn't even relevant to the case. You are an idiot. It is YOUR racist/race-baiting attitude that's the problem here. Stop projecting.

small_axe
small_axe

Intelligent or not is not for me to say, but I am surely not objective. I left objectivity behind a long time ago.

As for my comments, if the shoe fits...

CLSStudent
CLSStudent

@CanofSand @ChrisPasquariello @goblue562 @TheMathTutor @CanofSand  Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

The reason many people refer to the situation in Palestine (which wasn't invented by Yasser btw, but a term that's been around for thousands of years and certainly wasn't lost on the British who deemed their control of the area post WW-I as the British Mandate for Palestine) as genocide is because of the conditions imposed on the people living in the West Bank and Gaza, which one could say are deliberately calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction in whole or in part.

Israel makes Gaza unlivable on a daily basis by controlling their borders, limiting residents' access to the West Bank, preventing access of aid ships, imposing a tight limit on how far fisherman may go out to sea, firing at farmers who come within 328 yards of the Israeli border despite the presence of their crops there, and destruction of civilian homes and crops to name just a few. This article touches on a few, but I encourage you to see the Israeli human rights organization Gisha for more information.

In the West Bank, where the population is under military occupation, there are problems such as home demolitions, theft of water (80% of the water in the West Bank is taken for Israeli use, leaving those in the West Bank with well below the WHO recommended 100L/person/day, but giving Israelis a more than generous 300L/person/day), child arrests, state-supported settler violence and resource theft, and limitations on freedom of movement. This again, is just to name a few. Please see the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem for more information.

As for the Palestinians living in Israel, again life is far from ideal. There is segregation in the school systems resulting in both a separate and unequal education for Arab children. Additionally, the resources given for infrastructure and public works is disproportionately low among Arab communities. While Jewish Israelis can marry other Jews and have them become citizens in their country, it is not so if you are an Arab marrying a non-Jew. And just recently, Israel passed its own Trail of Tears like legislation to evict about 30,000 Bedouins from their native lands. Again, this is just to name a few of many examples, but I simply can't list them here. Please see the Israeli human rights organization Adalah for more information.

I strongly encourage you to research these issues for yourself before you reply to my comments hot-headedly.  There is a reason the UN has issued so many resolutions condemning Israel's actions against Palestinians, and there is a reason why the EU recently issued guidelines on labeling for settlement products, and many academics, performers, athletes and others have joined the growing BDS movement


CanofSand
CanofSand

@ChrisPasquariello @goblue562 @TheMathTutor Not to go off on a giant tangent here, but what the heck did Israel do? You imply genocide. Do you even know what that term means? Funny how the "genocidal" Israel has tons of "Palestinians" (a political term made up by people like Yasser Arafat, the terrorist -- their actual cultural identity is not "Palestinian" as any honest historian has to admit) living there with many of them in government. Funny how the "genocide" of "Palestine" results in A GROWING POPULATION with FIRST-WORLD SUPERMARKETS, RESTAURANTS, SHOPPING MALLS, ELECTRONICS STORES, etc. So, what's your argument now: Israel's genocidal but they're just REALLY BAD AT  IT, so bad they can't even keep Palestinians out of their government and their press corp and businesses and business ownership and virtually *everywhere* and *everything* else?

CanofSand
CanofSand

@sanjidude @goblue562 @TheMathTutor

You're really not very intelligent. Not only do you attribute changes to boycotts without showing cause and effect, but you make/support a RIDICULOUS-ON-ITS-FACE assertion that boycotts ALWAYS -- ALWAYS -- result in these things. Do you even know what the word "always" means? A list of examples supposedly leading to such "success", even if we pretended they deserved to be on that list (they don't -- again, cause and effect not demonstrated), means nothing. A single boycott NOT leading to such change destroys your argument. And there are COUNTLESS examples of that, especially when it comes to those pushing a leftist political agenda.

"Fire Limbaugh" bullcrap, for instance. Boy did that ever backfire. His ratings went up, he got new sponsors, and the sponsor the left gloated about dropping the show BEGGED him to be allowed to return.

He didn't let them come back. To all leftists and those who support them: Rot. :)

sanjidude
sanjidude

@goblue562@TheMathTutor 

"Always"?   Really?   Give us a complete list other than the one that you indicated above."

The 1980 Olympics, anti-apartheid boycotts of the 80s & 90s toward South Africa, 1960 Delano Grape Strike, 1930s boycott of commercial salt in India lead by Gandhi, 1905 boycott by China of American products due to mistreatment of their people...the list goes on and on. And they, along with many others, were ALL successful.

Oh and here's a REALLY good one...how about the boycott of British colonial goods by the colonies in the 1760s ("no taxation without representation") that ultimately lead to the American Revolution? You see, when people are treated unfairly, even the smallest minority can rise up and kick the majority in the ass, non-violently of course, by using the power of what they do have - their hard earned dollars.