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The S & P Goes Bearish On the U.S.

Is this the first domino in the next global financial crisis? It’s possible. Today the S & P revised its long-term credit rating outlook for the U.S. from “stable” to “negative.” The immediate result has been a flight from risky assets and anything linked to optimistic views on global growth – gold and Treasuries are up, while oil and dicey currencies are down.

The big question is whether or not this is the beginning of a major inflection point in the global economy, one in which rich nations following a pattern that has long been common in emerging economies – after financial crises tend to come sovereign crises. It’s happened many times before in countries like Argentina, Thailand, and Indonesia. The question now is whether it will happen in rich nations. In other words, is it possible that the U.S. could actually loose its triple A-rating?

My feeling is that yes, it’s a real worry. The US has been triple A ever since it was first rated in 1941, but as the FT Lex column points out today, countries that are put on a negative long term outlook have a one in three chance of being downgraded over the next six to 24 months. For more on the history of how banking crises can turn into sovereign crises, check out Ken Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart’s prescient book “This Time Is Different,” which looks at eight centuries of history on this score. The upshot – yes, it can happen here.  And if it did, the likely result would be a bond market collapse, a spike in global interest rates, and a financial fiasco that could make the collapse of Lehman Brothers look tame. The fallout could very well throw the world back into recession.

But the most worrisome thing at the moment isn’t so much the absolute state of the U.S. finances, which are bad, but no worse than many European nations; it’s the reason why we are in this position, namely political gridlock. Look closely at the S & P’s analysis on the long-term rating, part of which reads, “We believe there is a material risk that U.S. policymakers might not reach an agreement on how to address medium and long term budgetary challenges by 2013.” It’s not so much that the challenges themselves aren’t surmountable – it’s that we simply can’t get our political acts together to surmount them.

This is an issue that comes up again and again when I am speaking to leaders abroad. I was in China a few months ago, and policy makers there were as worried about the kind of ugly populist politics represented by the Tea Party as they were about absolute U.S. debt levels. Larry Summers summed it up well at a recent conference in Bretton Woods, where he said, “not meeting our debt obligations is like allowing a child with matches to sit in a room full of dynamite.” He added, “I continue to find it close to inconceivable that elected policymakers would allow the risk of default.”

Too true. But there’s still a chance that the S & P decision could end up being a positive thing for the U.S., if it becomes a fire under politicians. As a Capital Economics report I received today pointed, out, the agency’s decision to put the U.K’s triple A rating on a negative outlook in May of 2009 prompted major soul searching there, which eventually led to tough decisions on fiscal tightening which were taken by a coalition government. The result was that the U.K was rated back up last year. Let’s hope Washington got that memo.

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  • http://leelanaucapital.com sbanicki

    Remember, S & P was one of the rating agencies that said sub-prime loans deserved a AA rating. In other words, they do not have a good track record, http://freeourfreemarkets org

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    This entire post is based on false premises, because:

    1. Credit rating is based on ability and willingness to pay, both of which are infinite with regards to the U.S.

    2. The effect of credit rating is to impact ability to borrow and interest paid. However, the federal government, being Monetarily Sovereign does not need to borrow. And it can pay any level of interest with equal ease.

    3. This statement is not in accord with Monetary Sovereignty: “. . . U.S. finances, which are bad, but no worse than many European nations . . . The “many European nations” being referred to, probably are the monetarily non-sovereign PIIGS, whose problems are totally different from anything the U.S. is experiencing, or even can experience.

    In short, the notion that S&P could downgrade U.S. credit is meaningless and laughable. Less laughable is the author’s suggestion that the U.S. should engage in “fiscal tightening,” which absolutely, positively would cause recessions or depressions — as fiscal tightening always has.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • ikanwar

    and what would be the implications if USD stops being the world currency. What if Chinese Yuan or Gold become the currency in which world would trade?

  • mikew67

    …hey, let’s just listen to Boehner and the failed GOP, and go back to cut taxes / cut govt that we tried for the 3 decades of the Reagan/Bush era. In fact, let’s get ANOTHER big tax cut to the wealthiest as we did in 1981 and 2001.

    I mean, that worked SO well to deliver Trickle Down prosperity. Almost nobody is unemployed now. And the banks and oil drillers and health insurers, heck – they POLICED THEMSELVES!!! Get government out of the WAY by golly!

    Abe Lincoln would have said;
    “You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time”… ;^)

    Balkingpoints / www

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    What items of spending would you like to cut, and how much would that net?

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    ikanwar,

    The same way it has it affected China, India, Japan, UK, Canada and scores of other countries not to be the “world currency.”

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    OK so who knows but if you were to place a bet and think that the situation becomes just a fraction as bad as thought maybe 1/5th as bad.
    Then how much will Gold be valued?
    Will it reach $2000 this year perhaps $2500 even.

  • vstillwell

    Why in the hell does this magazine continue to place any significance on what rating agencies say? These same ratings agencies all graded the failed banks as investment grade and the CDOs they were selling as investment grade too. This is crap!

  • http://nakedempire.wordpress.com nakedempire

    S&P always late to the party…………….hey S&P, good work on those synthetic cdo’s……………..

    WHEN THE DOLTS IN CONGRESS FINALLY GET AROUND TO PUTTING THE BANKERS IN JAIL, THEY CAN TAKE MOODYS AND S&P WITH THEM…………BUNCHA IDIOTS…

    http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/

  • http://olymall.wordpress.com olymall
  • http://euminustopia.wordpress.com euminustopia

    “Political gridlock” are the key words here.
    And political gridlock, in a democracy, means that the general public hasn’t made it’s mind yet as to where to go from here.
    This is also apparent to any readers of these very comments. Which is good. A very spirited conversation is always welcome, and even more so before a fresh start.
    But we should make up our minds and start moving any time soon or else…
    And when choosing the direction we shouldn’t forget that real life has more to do with being able to adapt to new conditions in order to survive than to getting rich!
    Money is essential to any functional economy and capitalism is the best mechanism for allocating resources among competing agents but we should never forget that economy is an interface between human society and Mother Nature and not a playing field for people who’s only desire is to become rich.
    If economy ceases to provide the general population with enough life sustaining resources then the whole exercise becomes futile.

  • 94134gamesmith

    Gamesmith94134: The S & P Goes Bearish On the U.S.
    “Political Gridlock”, it is. People are looking to a solution to the spikes of inflations that have already affected the durable goods years ago that the general population have fell off the trail unemployed; and the present consumer goods even food went up 40% to 200% that made the politicians’ head turned. It was the Middle East or Muslims problems, chaos are common there. Then, it was the Prime Minister and President got threw off their offices in the EU, and coming double digit inflation hit hard in emerging market nations.
    Now, everyone is looking to the United States on the better control of the oil, gold, and food; if it were the fluctuated value on the dollar that the commodities price are adjusting that made prices inflated. If the political parties among the US government disputes on the budget and deficit in searching the ceiling of the deficit allowed, why should anyone like PIIGS must follow in order to stabilize the Euros? And, if QEII can supply the fluidity of the bank in US and the world, why the emerging market nations must suffer?
    The rating of the US bonds from S&P is meaningless as long as the FED is buying all of the bonds, and passed it on to bankers and bond traders to monitor the commodities market. They would have the advantages on the low cost loan while everyone else have to accept the higher cost of interest among the emerging market nations. Perhaps, it was just a vote on their conscious mind that S&P is holding US responsible if the inflationary condition cannot be mended. It is moot but S&P warned the United States and free trade is being questioned; it also means the acceptance of dollar in trade world is compromised.
    Should you agree to revive the global economy that all monetarily sovereignties can have both deficit and control on the commodities; and inflation can be the only service charge on your currencies through the trade or exchange just because your currencies are non-monetarily activated during the session?
    After all, in process of the Quantitative Easing of Euros and Dollars, are you or your people hungry now? You are better known well that you were stuffed.
    May the Buddha Bless you?

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