What’s the Purpose of Taxes?

Many are wondering if it is time to construct a better system (Photo: Getty Images)

President Obama, the Republicans and even Congressional Democrats seem very close to ending their debate for now on what should be done with taxes for 2011 and in part 2012. But the tax deal and Obama’s debt commission are opening up a much bigger debate about taxes: Why do we have taxes in the first place?

It may seem obvious. Someone has to pay for all the stuff government does. But Daniel Henninger in today’s Wall Street Journal makes a very good case for why we should be looking more closely at the questions of why taxes and for what. Here’s why:

Henninger starts off by saying even Republicans don’t seem to agree on this issue. Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney and many in the Tea Party are against the tax deal. Newt Gingrich and most of the Republicans in Congress are for it. So is that split a reflection of a difference of opinion on what taxes are for, and not just political posturing? Maybe.

Whether the tax rates in place for most of the past 10 years are extended for two more years this week or next month is politically interesting but doesn’t get to the more important question we should be asking Govs. Palin, Romney, Pawlenty and the rest: What exactly do you think taxes are for? Do we pay taxes to support federal, state and local government, to reduce the deficit, or just maybe for something else?

Henninger’s point is an interesting one. Taxes can do a lot of things. They can pay for services. They can make life easier for future generations by either reducing the nation’s debt burden, or by building bridges and tunnels that our children will use. (My generation has not come up with a way to cross the East River in New York, yet I am able to go back and forth between my home in Brooklyn and my job in Manhattan with ease. Thanks, grandpa.) Taxes can transfer wealth from future generations to today by increasing the deficit. They can change behavior like in the case of cigarette taxes, soda taxes and the mortgage interest rate tax deduction. So it is useful to talk about what we want taxes to do before setting where they should be.

Henninger says both parties are ready for tax reform. But he also tells that there is a hidden agenda in Obama’s willingness to make a deal on taxes and to talk about tax reform.

Barack Obama won’t say it, but a school of thought linked to his presidency no longer sees a justification or need for U.S. primacy. That posture would indeed make it easier to maintain the “parity” between taxes and outlays that Mr. Summers seeks on behalf of the public sector.

Perhaps. But there is a hidden agenda behind the way that Ms. Palin, the Tea Party and others believe they can reach tax parity as well. They would like a government that delivers significantly fewer services than the one we have today. So yes, no mandated health care system. But no policing of pollution. No support for medical research. Fewer federally funded cultural institutions. Public transportation? Probably not.

So what should we think about when we think about taxes? Henninger’s answer is growth.

In the hypercompetitive world we will inhabit for at least a generation, might not it be time to rewrite the textbook? To ensure American well-being, the pre-eminent purpose of a modern tax system should be to achieve the highest possible level of growth in the private economy with a competent, efficient state in a supporting role.

But the problem is that’s not really an answer about that to do about taxes. It only brings us to what is the real debate: What exactly is a pro-growth tax policy? Pretty much everyone seems to agree these days that a long-term growing budget deficit is bad for growth. Eventually we will have to pay that money back. So I would argue that raising taxes to lower the deficit would ensure lower interest rates for perhaps decades to come. That to me is a pro-growth tax strategy. We have settled on a different policy. The current tax deal cuts taxes to put more money in everyone’s pocket so they will spend more. That perhaps is pro-growth, but only for now. Eventually we will will get to a point where lowering taxes will only make it obvious we have no real plans to pay back what we owe to the Chinese and others. At some point, we are going to have to take the Obama or Palin option. Just lowering taxes is not going to be pro-growth forever, or perhaps for much longer.

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  • larryawood

    There is a perfectly good tax plan in Congress right now. It is HR 25 and is called the “Fair Tax”. It has over 60 co-sponsors and addresses all of the concerns voiced in this article. Why a bill with more co-sponsors than the Obamacare bill cannot make it through committee after 10 years speaks volumes about the politicians that curry favors with amending the current tax regulations.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Mr. Gandel said, “Taxes can do a lot of things. They can pay for services. They can make life easier for future generations by either reducing the nation’s debt burden, or by building bridges and tunnels that our children will use. (My generation has not come up with a way to cross the East River in New York, yet I am able to go back and forth between my home in Brooklyn and my job in Manhattan with ease. Thanks, grandpa.) Taxes can transfer wealth from future generations to today by increasing the deficit. They can change behavior like in the case of cigarette taxes, soda taxes and the mortgage interest rate tax deduction.”
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    Because Mr. Gandel does not understand Monetary Sovereignty, he does not understand that:

    –Federal taxes do not pay for federal services, although state and local taxes pay for state and local services (The federal government is monetarily sovereign; states, counties and cities are not.)
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    –Future generations do not have a debt burden; taxes do not pay for debt in a monetarily sovereign nation. If taxes were $0, a monetarily sovereign nation still would have no trouble servicing debt of any size.
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    –Similarly, federal taxes do not pay for bridges and tunnels, though state taxes do.
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    –Federal taxes do not transfer wealth to the poor. Money taken from the rich does not go to the poor. It is destroyed upon receipt, and is not stored anywhere by the federal government. Taxing simply takes money out of the economy, and is not related to spending.
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    –He is right that taxes can change behavior.
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    Because Mr. Gandel does not understand Monetary Sovereignty, he does not understand economics. It is difficult to understand why he refuses to learn, since a clear, brief, educational summary exists at http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/monetarily-sovereign-the-key-to-understanding-economics/. Is it laziness or pride that keeps him spreading false information?
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    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    The so called “fair” tax puts the burden of payment on the middle and lower classes where taking 25% of earnings does more damage than taking 25% of a wealthy person’s earnings. This is something “fair” tax advocates always leave out. The “fair” tax is an extremely regressive tax.

  • ohiopapa

    So Henninger thinks taxes are “[t]o ensure American well-being, the pre-eminent purpose of a modern tax system should be to achieve the highest possible level of growth in the private economy with a competent, efficient state in a supporting role.”?
    His statement assumes that American well-being is only possible with a high growth rate (and presumably a high consumption rate).

    1. High consumption rate does not equal happiness – for the last 60 years we’ve had more stuff; does that promote American “well-being”? I think our grandparents worked harder for what they had, but were probably happier than your average American today awash in consumer goods.
    Above a certain income level, more money does not bring happiness – that comes from a strong social network of family, friends, and co-workers that support each other.

    2. As for a high growth rate, that only brings growing pains: higher taxes to pay for a sprawling infrastructure, higher pollution, overcrowded cities and a ravaged environment.
    Taxes should be structured so that a high level of employment can be reached, income inequities can be improved, and we can move towards a healthy steady state economy.

    Explore CASSE’s website for some ways to achieve a steady-state economy: http://steadystate.org/

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    gimonshoe,

    Want a fair tax? See: Fair Taxes

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • deconstructiva

    Rodger, please quote real experts to back up your claims and NOT blogwhore your own tome as sole proof. You can insult everyone else as ignorant of your economics to your heart’s delight but that doesn’t make your magical printing press “theories” true. BTW, Michael Schuman shot you down on supply / demand issues alone…
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    http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2010/11/24/how-can-europe-stop-its-debt-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-20284
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    Stephen, Michael, et al, why are you guys still allowing RMM to blogwhore after the above rebuttal?

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    deconstructiva,

    Gee, I’m hurt by your insults.
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    As for Schuman “shooting me down,” here’s what he said: “But at some point, a country that prints money endlessly will come to destroy the value of its currency.” Yes, the silly, “At some point . . . endlessly” argument. How about this: “At some point a country that taxes endlessly will destroy itself.” Take your pick.
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    Now let’s get real. If you want to understand Monetary Sovereignty, and don’t want to read my posts, look up Modern Monetary Theory. Also called neo-Chartalism. It’s similar, and has lots of professors backing it. Professor Randall Wray, Professor William Mitchell (no relation) for example.
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    And what Schuman was talking about is inflation. In the past 40 years, the federal debt has risen an astounding 3600%. So where is the inflation? Since we went off the gold standard, there has been no relationship between deficits and inflation. I explained all vthis to Schuman in comments #10 and #11 of his post. You should read them.
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    By the way, there is a sad uniformity about economics discussions. The less a person knows the more likely he/she is to be personally insulting.
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    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • dgarvich

    For clarity, the Fair Tax is not a 25% tax on earnings (which is what gumOnShoe said). It’s a tax on consumption. If you want to pay less taxes, buy less stuff (something Americans could stand to do anyhow). Heaven forbid Americans be forced to stop and think “Can I really afford this?” before purchasing something!

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Re. “Fair Tax,” fairness is in the eye of the beholder:
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    Taxes can be levied in a variety of ways, all justifiable as “fair” and all condemned as “unfair.”
    A unit tax on individuals: Each person pays the same tax (similar to an airport departure tax). This tax is fair, because it treats every individual equally. This tax is unfair, because it takes as much from the poor as from the rich.
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    “Sin taxes “ on cigarettes, liquor, entertainment, gambling, restaurants, etc. are fair, because they tax things we do not need. These taxes are unfair, because they arbitrarily designate certain items as not being needed. (Is an apple “needed?”)
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    FICA is fair, because the people who pay are the people who receive. This tax is unfair, because it is a regressive tax.
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    Sales taxes are fair, because each person pays according to his consumption. Sales taxes are unfair, because they place a burden on low income people, who spend a greater percentage of their income and save/invest less.
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    Flat-rate income tax is fair, because each person pays the same rate. These taxes are unfair, because the poor cannot afford to pay as high a rate as the wealthy. They also are unfair, because some people will pay more than others.
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    Progressive rate income tax is fair, because high earners can afford to pay a higher rate. This tax is unfair, because even at a flat rate, higher earners would pay more. A progressive rate compounds the unfairness.
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    Tax on Social Security benefits is fair, because social security is just another form of income. These taxes are unfair, because income tax already was paid on Social Security deposits. It is a double tax.
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    Inheritance tax is fair, because wealthy families can afford to pay more. This tax is unfair, because taxes already have been paid on the assets being inherited. It is a double tax.
    Personal property tax is fair, because the wealthy can afford to pay more. This tax is unfair, because taxes already have been paid on the earnings needed to acquire the assets. It is another double tax.
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    Tax on stock dividends is fair, because dividends are no different from any other income. This tax is unfair, because companies cannot deduct the cost and already have paid taxes on the earnings. It is one more double tax.
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    Taxes on corporations are fair because business should pay its share. These taxes are unfair, because they penalize workers by reducing corporations’ ability to hire and to pay salaries and benefits.
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    All taxes are fair and unfair, depending on whose toes are pinched.
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    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    @rodger: I understood only some of that. I do have an issue with you stating that taxes on certain behaviors (alcohol and cigarette taxes) are “fair”. Both alcohol and cigarettes are addictive substances and while I do agree we can’t as a society make them illegal, isn’t it wrong to tax somebody for having a health condition–their addiction?
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    Not only that, but the poor are the largest group of cigarette smokers. These people can not the treatments available today to stop smoking–the pill or patch or hypnosis, not when those methods cost 2x-3x’s as that of a carton of cigarettes. So I would put the tobacco taxes in the “regressive tax” column and call it unfair as it disporportionately taxes those who can least afford it.

  • http://yourguidetochina.wordpress.com yourguidetochina

    I still accept the fact that taxation is theft, just like the police and military are violations of individual rights. In each case one must judge under what circumstance this type of “bad” behavior is acceptable.

    In general we accept the police to use physical force against someone if that person has violated the rights of another, something like and eye for an eye.

    Under what circumstances is it OK to steal property from the populace? If the services provided by the government are valuable, why do people think that the public won’t pay for the services?

    Steve
    http://www.TheChinaBusinessGuide.com

  • dochosvet

    Well, I agree with Roger that all tax’s are fair or unfair depending on whose toes are being pinched. Meanwhile while we re trying to learn why his theory is best we need to pay our bills somehow and for the moment that is taxes and real money. I like tax’s as I get things like roads, firemen, police, a place for grandma to hang out, etc etc. Today I had Christmas lunch at the local community center. It was more than a full house. Every body there pays tax’s and we all chipped in extra to keep it going as it helps a lot of down and out people out. That is what I pay tax’s for. So let me pay my tax’s but don’t bankrupt my country into oblivion and leave nothing for the kids.

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    Since 70% of our economy is consumerism the Fair Tax would be GREAT DEPRESSION #2
    A extra tax of $125 on a $500 TV or a extra $5000 on a $20.000 car. Yes people would buy less much less.

  • lrwray

    Gandel’s discussion only applies to a nonsovereign government–state and local governments. Not one single point he makes applies to the federal gov’t.

    Rodger is correct: taxes do not “pay for” federal government spending. We cannot “transfer” income to the poor by taxing the rich. You cannot “transfer” income and wealth from our great grandkids by running deficits today (indeed it is precisely the opposite! deficits today leave bonds that are net wealth for generations in the future). And so on.

    That does not mean taxes are not necessary (he and I have some disagreements on the purpose of taxes, but we agree on what they are NOT for). In the chartalist view that he cites, they “drive” money–from inception they create a demand for the currency.

    The nasty comment that he ought to cite a “real” expert is easy enough. There are dozens of them. Adam Smith. John Maynard Keynes. Hyman Minsky. Georg Frederich Knapp. Abba Lerner. That will give you a start. Enjoy your reading. Rodger has read them, and I have read Rodger. He is on the right track.

    I also like his reminder about “fairness”. If you want to drive a tax, a head tax is the best one–everyone has a head and is willing to work to get the money required to pay that tax. A hut tax is also fine (since we all need to live somewhere). To make it progressive, make it square (or cubic) feet of dwelling space.

    Other taxes are mostly to influence behavior: sin taxes punish sin, payroll taxes ironically punish hiring and employment–a counterproductive policy, death taxes punish death (and encourage charity), etc.

    L. Randall Wray, Professor of Economics, University of Missouri–Kansas City.

  • lrwray

    Sorry, typo, reads:
    If you want to drive a tax, a head tax is the best one

    should read: If you want to drive a currency, a head tax is the best one

    Read more: http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2010/12/16/whats-the-purpose-of-taxes/#ixzz18Pa7c8lp

  • larryawood

    I would bet money that gumonshoe has neither read any of the “Fair Tax” books or HR 25. People who object to the “Fair Tax” have consistently been shown to voice opinions based on emotion and not on facts.

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