Thanksgiving: Another Reason to Worry about Hyperinflation?

If you ask me, yes I am worried about inflation (Photo: Brian Snyder/REUTERS)

Apparently, if you want to talk turkey about hyperinflation Thanksgiving is a good time to do it.

There has been a lot of debate recently about whether prices are rising or not. The government’s measure of inflation the consumer price index, or CPI, is up this year but only slightly, around 1%. The Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke says that’s much lower than it should be for a healthy economy. Some economists are worried that prices might soon begin to fall–the dreaded deflation. Yet, other observers, including presidential hopeful Sarah Palin,  say prices are already rising and worry that they will take off once the Fed fully implements its program to buy long-term Treasuries with government money, which many equated to “printing money.” So which is it? Are prices on the verge of surging or diving? Could it be both?

Thanksgiving offers something to chew on for both sides of the inflation debate. If you just go by the turkey alone, inflation does seem to be alive and well, and prehaps out of control. The average price of raw turkey is up 13.3% in the past year to $1.68 per pound in U.S. cities, according to the Labor Department. Go back to before the recent recession started, and the price of turkey has risen a just over 35% since then.

So inflation is up, right? Potentially way up? Not quite. Here’s the problem: Those higher prices for raw turkey aren’t translating into higher costs for the average consumer at least not on Thanksgiving. When the average puts their whole meal together, turkey, stuffing or dressing, potatoes and pie, they won’t actually be spending more than last year, at least not according to the Virginia Farm Bureau. Economist Paul Krugman made this point in a recent blog post:

The bureau says it should cost $43.39 to serve a 16-pound turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes, rolls, cranberries and peas for 10 adults. The price also includes a tray of carrots and celery, as well as pumpkin pie with whipped cream.

Virginia officials say its survey of grocery stores indicates all that food will cost on average 1 cent more this year than it did last year, when the cost of Thanksgiving dinner fell for the first time in three years.

In comparison, the American Farm Bureau said the average national cost of Thanksgiving dinner this year is $43.47, a 56-cent price increase from last year. [that's a 1.3 percent rise -- PK] The survey was first conducted in 1986 and is intended to be an informal gauge of price trends around the nation.

How can both those prices be right? Could be that all the other things that go into a Thanksgiving feast are falling. Could be that supermarkets are charging less per pound for larger turkeys. Nonetheless the take away is this: Some prices are rising and some prices are not. That’s why both camps can make the argument that we have inflation and we are in danger of deflation at the same time. Like turkey, the prices of raw materials or commodities is on the rise. Corn, Cotton, Coffee. All those things are rising in price. But that doesn’t mean the things we buy actually go up. Despite the 35% jump in turkey prices, the price of foot long turkey sub in midtown Manhattan at Subway, one of the most expensive places to eat on the planet, is around $5, which is the same price it was three years ago.

In fact, just the opposite can happen. Rising commodity prices can actually make deflation worse. When companies have to pay more for raw materials but can’t raise prices of their end products, which is what happens in weak economies like now, their managers have a choice. Some may endure lower profits. Most will either cut worker’s pay, or just cut workers all together. And that’s what those two little cute Bernanke bashing bears don’t seem to get. It’s not that the Fed is trying to prevent falling prices, or at least that’s not what they are most worried about when it comes to deflation. The price of iPhones, flat screens and other gadgets fall all the time, and that’s not a problem. The real thing that the Fed is worried about is wage deflation. When we all make less money we spend less, and it becomes even harder to pay back our debts. That’s an economic spiral that is very hard to get out of. And rising commodity prices make that spiral more likely, not less.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

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  • laudens

    True inflation is when I work more hours for the same products or services. Deflation is when I work fewer hours for the same products or services.

    Any other definition is designed to hid facts, not create either understanding or solutions.

  • dochosvet

    Laudens our economy is not based on your work or production. Otherwise the army guy would earn more than the banker and we know that aint going to happen.
    For example to me our foreign trade imbalance is sort of irrelevant as it is in your mind and mine is just a symbol of time we put into a product. We send less of our time over seas now than we get back. The dollars are just symbols.

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    Eat up, be happy
    Skinny people get picked last for the Parade balloon crews
    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Mr. Gandel’s headline, “Thanksgiving: Another Reason to Worry about Hyperinflation?” is just plain silly. Through many, many wars, recessions, depressions, and all sorts on inflations, the United States has not experienced hyperinflation since the Revolutionary War, the birth of our nation. So why even hint that hyperinflation is a possibility? For sensationalism?

    Contrary to popular, and Mr. Gandel’s, belief, hyperinflation is not inflation on steroids. It is a totally different animal, which is why we have had many, many periods of inflation, but none of hyperinflation.

    Hyperinflation actually is caused by a gigantic negative event impacting a nation’s economy, which causes a severe inflation. Germany’s event was the onerous post WWI terms demanded by the Allies. Zimbabwe’s event was Robert Mugabe’s land “reform” which stole land from its owners.

    Then, that nation’s leaders, respond to this severe inflation by printing money, rather than by raising interest rates, as they should. This money-printing, without interest rate increases, exacerbates the severe inflation, which in turn, leads to more money printing.

    In hyperinflation, the inflation causes the money printing, rather than the other way around..

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • 94134gamesmith

    Hyperinflation
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hyperinflation is generally associated with paper money, which can easily be used to increase the money supply: add more zeros to the plates and print, or even stamp old notes with new numbers.[citation needed] Historically, there have been numerous episodes of hyperinflation in various countries followed by a return to “hard money”. Older economies would revert to hard currency and barter when the circulating medium became excessively devalued, generally following a “run” on the store of value.
    Mr. Rodger Malcolm Mitchell, it was the monetary sovereignty did the trick as the older economies, from the earlier oil and commodity market, many reverted to hard currency and following the “run” on the store of value.
    In the events inflation follows where the “hot” cash goes in the global from currencies to Emerging Market nations.
    1. bloomed the real estate to a 10% annual rise, after Las Vegas went 23%,then, the wheel turned ; it’s value fell 50%.
    2. Dow went from 9000 to present 11200.
    3. Gold rose 840 to 1370.
    4. Metal and crop went double.
    Since we have no cash available in United States, QEII is filling in the gaps, and dollar devalued, and in United States we are having deflationary cycle; and we consumed the last inventory of 2007-2008. As soon as the inventory ends, the stagflation continues.
    Mr. Gandel said, “When companies have to pay more for raw materials but can’t raise prices of their end products, which is what happens in weak economies like now, their managers have a choice. Some may endure lower profits.” He is right that we do not see more inflation than deflation; but America have way to shift cost to consumers since we are also the producer sovereignty that we can cut price and collect less tax that consumers changes to citizen who will pay more to traffic tickets and tolls fee, increase on license or fee to government.

    This is why we do not see much of inflation; and we live harder on deflation that is not in the CPI.

    Happy Thanksgiving! Every one.

    May the Buddha bless you?

  • ps56penn62pr64

    Inflation and deflations are simply symptoms of our corrupt monetary and banking system.

    When a privately owned, for-profit monetary system issues our nation’s currency, it acts like a parasitic cancer on our economy. When a banking system creates money from nothing as simple ledger entries, a form of paperless counterfeiting that has been legalized by an act of the Congress, allowing the system to extend money into the economy as principals of interest-bearing loans, they are robbing the people of the value of their work and stealing their property.

    The economic crisis is not the result of what people choose to use as money; the crisis is caused but who issues money. Until the US government issues all of America’s money, prohibits fractional reserve lending as counterfeiting, requires banks to have 100% reserves for lending, –or better yet, owns and operates the banking system as a publicly owned utility — we suffer bubbles, crashes, and depressions.

  • waltwriston

    Deflation, hyperinflation etc… I got one word: Stagflation.

  • duduong

    The inflation vs deflation debate has often sunken into a meaningless one on semantics exactly because there are several independent kinds of prices relevant to the economy. Wage, assets, commodities and consumables are the most important.

    Greenspan inflated a huge asset price bubble because he had the excuse of wage and consumable prices being stable. Now Bananke is inflating the commodities with QE2 to set a bottom on free-falling asset prices and wages. Unfortunately, the consumables have to rise first, hurting the public before any of the presumed beneftis get realized. Put another way, he is robbing people who own or earn dollars to give to the banks. Economists like Krugman claim that the victims are mainly foreign nations like China and Germany. In fact, anyone who has to pay for $3+ gas or $2/dozen eggs is collateral damage. Now that the QE2 has the opposite effect on the bond prices, everyone loses. Another great job done after ruining the nation’s economy in the deregulation frenzy earlier this decade, American economists!

  • http://rbmatudan.wordpress.com rbmatudan

    The government is the real cause for inflation. They want us to spend our savings so they can have their losses back into their pockets. Banks had large losses from investing in mortgage-related activity, so they’ll want compensate those losses. Expect banks to be super strict and loans will be a lot harder to get. http://www.pathtoasia.com/jobs/

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