Is Ben Bernanke really “punishing” savers?

Savers, Ben may actually be smiling on you (Richard Clement/REUTERS)

The Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has caught a lot of flack, to say the least, about the central bank’s decision to use government dollars to buy Treasury bonds. The plan is commonly called QE2, and it is supposed to drive down interest rates and boost the economy. Some say it won’t work. Some say it will create inflation. Some say it will create new financial bubbles.  Some say it’s not big enough.

So far, at least to me, the criticism of Bernanke’s plan that resonates the most has been that it hurts savers. Banks and large corporates get a big bonus from the Fed. And to a lesser extend home buyers. People who have money in the bank? Not so much. My post a few weeks ago about the Fed possibly starting a civil war was getting at how that will play out.

But it turns out, as Pat Regnier points out in a very good post on the blog of our sister publication MONEY,  the argument that the Fed is anti-savers is not as compelling as I thought. Here’s why:

Like most arguments, Regnier says the Fed anti-saver meme works as long as you don’t really dig into the argument. Here’s what he has to say:

But let’s be careful about language here. When you hear the word “saver,” you probably think of a set of character traits: Hard-working, future minded, willing to put off today’s pleasure for tomorrow’s security. An ant, not a grasshopper.

But low rates and (potentially) higher inflation don’t hurt people who simply have a knack for saving. They hit people who have already accumulated a lot of savings. Not all those people are especially virtuous ants. And not all people with low savings are silly grasshoppers.

Regnier’s point is that it is very hard to save if you don’t have a job. So if Ben Bernanke’s plan keeps more of us employed more of us will be able to save. But I think there is a larger point here about what we mean when we say savers. So Bernanke’s plan does hurt a particular type of saver. Someone who has already accumulated a lot of wealth and keeps that wealth in conservative investments, i.e. savings bonds, CDs and their bank. But that’s not most of us. For most of us, the most important savings vehicle we have is our 401(k) plan. And most of those plans are invested in the stock market. And with people living longer, even retirees are keeping more of their money in the stock market.

Bernanke’s plan won’t hurt 401(k) and stock savers. Low interest rates are good for stocks. Even inflation is not that bad for stocks. The market tends to outperform bonds, real estate and other investments when inflation is rising. So for most of who are still working at our savings QE2 ain’t that bad.

Of course, if the Fed’s plan creates hyperinflation, then it’s bad for everyone–savers and banks alike. But the Fed might not be the most likely source of hyperinflation. Here’s the only thing I would say to Regnier: Even if this “has already saved” group is not the majority of savers or even not that big, in terms of boosting the economy it could be an important group. People who are living off their savings are more likely to spend more when their savings income goes up. And less when interest rates fall. The rest of us, hopefully, don’t boost our savings when our 401(k) balance goes up. Our added savings from low-interest rates will have very little impact on the economy. So in terms of boosting consumption among savers overall, interest rates do matter.

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  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    “Low interest rates are good for stocks.”

    This popular myth exists because when rates look to go down, stocks tend to rise, for a day or two. The reason: Everyone knows that when rates go down, stocks will rise, so they buy in anticipation — in short, a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    Also, there is the belief that low rates make borrowing easier and less costly. So, low rates supposedly increase business profits, which would affect stock prices.

    But what about lending? For every borrower, there is a lender, and low rates make lending more difficult and less profitable. Borrowers profit and lenders lose, and all together, it’s a wash.

    O.K. lots of theory, but what about fact? Since 1971, that magic year when we went off the gold standard, there has been no relationship between low interest rates and high GDP growth.

    In fact, to a slight degree, there has been some relationship between high rates and high GDP growth. Huh? How can that be? Simple. High rates cause the federal government to pay more interest into the economy, which is stimulative.

    So, to all the things QE will not accomplish, reducing interest rates and stimulating the economy should be added.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • gatesvp

    Ben Bernanke is punishing “cash holders”.

    The concept of “savers” is close to that of “cash holders”, but it’s clearly a different image. When the Fed prints money, they don’t change the usable value of a piece of land. They don’t change the instrinsic value of a bushel of corn. They don’t change the true value of an ounce of gold.

    All the Fed can do when it prints money is punish people who are holding cash or “cash equivalents”.

    Of course, the problem here is that basically everyone is a “cash holder”. We get our salaries in cash, we get our government payouts in cash, we get our pensions in cash. Of course, those with money get their dividends in cash, so they take a hit too.

    Basically, the concept of printing money involves the theft of value of “cash resources” in favor of equities &/or commodities.

    So again, we’re not punishing “savers” per se. We’re punishing people who are heavy in cash. That reasonably means that about 3 classes of people are hurting.

    1. The poor: these people operate only in cash. They generally have no equity or commodity investments. So we’ve just sucked value from their paycheck and emergency funds.
    2. The retired: (& the nearly-retired). These people are attempting to “cash out” of their equities and commodities. They’re basically done “producing new value” and simply want to rest on the value they’ve created. When we print money, we’re sucking value from these people are no longer capable of “catching up”.
    3. Corporations with Cash: most big corporations have some form of cash holdings. QE will take value from these reserves. It’s well-known that many big companies are holding very high levels of cash right now.

    I really think that #3 is the target of QE2. Bernanke wants this money to start moving again. He wants to scare people with lost of money into getting that money moving.

    The only problem is that we’re not really sure that it’s going to work. It can work, but there are lots of ways in which it can fail as well.

  • duduong

    The ultrarich have many means to hide their assets overseas. Only the frugal middle class who have no easy way to diversify from dollars are hit by the currency dilution.

    As for job creation, the bonds actually falls upon the inception of QE2, so liquidity level drops instead rises. Once again, we see the big players dance around the FED policy. Only the little people are left holding the bag.

  • bacotawordpress

    Of course he’s punishing “cash holders”. That is the whole point. Economic growth is anemic because cash is being hoarded instead of being put to use.

  • dochosvet

    Come on. .25% is hurting. I have a savings account with a little over 12,000 in it and it has made a little over 12 bucks this year. At my age I could put in stocks and watch it loose 10% tomorrow. 4 years ago I was getting 5 plus percent in my MM accounts and in some it was real money. Those of us who are retired sort of and have the recommended balanced fund type program are getting shot down. A balance fund is 40-60% bonds. That is 1-3% and is not real money. The stock part went up last year after loosing up to 40% and now is just dribbling along. The whole system is against the small guy who saved for 40 years to retire. But of course it is for the rich B*# who borrows at .5 or less form the government and then loans it in my credit card at 12-22% or a car loan at 12% or a personal loan at up to 12%. Money Magazine had an article by or with Raghuram Rajan and income inequality. Boy do we have that. But I suppose it is better than the muslim system with no intrust.

  • johnstevens101

    Well looking at the international fixed term rates around the world at deposits.org it is kind of depressing. The UK, EU , US and Japan , the biggest economies in the world have savings rates at depressed levels. In particular its important to look at who are the beneficiaries of these low rates. Banks, Mortgage owners and companies can borrow at record low rates yet we still are in a deep recession. On the other hand retirees and savers have to gamble in wall streets stock market trying to beat the High Frequency traders for a measly few percent.

  • geaugailluminati

    there are 76 million baby boomers and 39 million already over 65, many of whom are on fixed income, who will have their spending constrained by the increasing inflation expectations and low interest rate policy of the Fed; seeing their annual returns reduced and expecting to need more savings to get by until they die, their current spending will be curtailed to the minimum….

  • http://simonls25.wordpress.com simonls25

    A note from across the pond friends. The interest rate in the UK is 0.5% and this has NOT kick started a recovery. In fact we have a government that is intent on committing economic suicide by slashing savagely their spending. The expectation is for 1,000,000 jobs to be lost as a result, in a country with a working population of about 29 Million this is a big hit.

    In my opinion, for what it is worth, the objectives and debt reduction plan of our previous leader, Gordon Brown (Labour Party) were spot on. Slow and sustainable debt reduction plans are the way forward for ALL nations. Knee jerk, headline grabbing cuts may appease those wanting to see improvements but what they will get is rising unemployment and a rising level of welfare payments and loan defaults as these people fail to make their loan payments. That is definitely NOT good for anyone, but least of all the people.

    I BEG the US Administration to reinstate the Glass-Seagall Act of 1933, which they repealed in 1999. The effect globally of this folly is crippling every economy in the world and THEY ARE TO BLAME. To let the banks loose in this manner was absolute idiocy in the extreme and it is the ordinary people of the globe who are being hurt by this and I promise you this, we will NOT forget who caused this pain, in that you have my PROMISE. We are most definitely NOT AMUSED!

  • http://simonls25.wordpress.com simonls25

    As an additional not, Ben Bernanke and the leader of the ECB have the audacity to tell China they should reduce their surplus to help the world recover. Is this man for real? The Chinese are giving a masterclass in how to make your economy the world leader and he (and the ECB) have the nerve to criticise them? Who’s in debt here?

    The worlds economies would do well to do what China has done, make our nations self-sufficient as once they ALL were. If we work at getting our finances in order independantly. Then perhaps global prosperity will become a real possibility. It is clear that the vast corporate interests are harming the global economy not helping it. Each nation NEEDS to be able to stand alone and manufacture the goods it needs and the energy it uses.

    The Fed needs to stop ranting, it is clear they are jealous and, dare I say it, there is a suspicion that perhaps the intention when scrapping the Glass-Seagall was in fact to cause events that would (they hoped) force China to loosen its grip on their economy but that has quite clearly failed. Another success for US global interference. When will your nation learn some humility and stop trying to bully others into obeying your whims?

  • http://nbarnett1.wordpress.com nbarnett1

    Is Regnier ignorant or disingenuous ? The inflation rate in the US has averaged over 3% per year over the last 30 years. At just 3%, a retiree who needs $30,000 per year from their retirement savings on the day they retire to maintain a modest lifestyle, will need more than $40,000 ten years later, and more than $50,000 ten years after that, just to maintain their lifestyle. If someone retires at age 65, Mr. Regnier, they will need the $40,000 when they are 75, and the $50,000+ when they are 85. The DJIA is lower today than it was in 1999, Mr. Regnier, and interest rates are so low as to provide virtually no income. And you want us to believe inflation is no problem? Social Security is bankrupt; it is time to change the Fed’s mandate to manage the dollar so there is ZERO inflation. Encouraging saving is the only way to give people a chance to retire. Savers are not our problem, politicians that overspend is.
    Tea Party, are you listening?

  • waltwriston

    No bank wants to take on a long-term illquid asset, at such puny rates. The CMO market has dried up, and now from what I understand if you can show both a good cashflow in income and.or assets….plus a credit score of 780 you’re out!?

  • waynebernard

    If you don’t think that Mr. Bernanke is deliberately using low interest rates to force savers to spend and thereby stimulate the economy, read these comments from Mr. Charles Bean, Deputy Governor of the Bank of England where he states just that:

    Yet another thing being foisted on British taxpayers that they cannot afford as shown in this article:

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2010/11/can-united-kingdom-help-ireland.html

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