Will the Federal Reserve Cause a Civil War?

Bernanke critics are on the attack (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

What is the most likely cause of civil unrest today? Immigration. Gay marriage. Abortion. The results of Election Day. The mosque at Ground Zero. Nope.

Try the Federal Reserve. Nov. 3 is when the Federal Reserve’s next policy committee meeting ends, and if you thought this was just another boring money meeting you would be wrong. It could be the most important meeting in the Fed’s history, maybe. The U.S. central bank is expected to announce its next move to boost the faltering economic recovery. To say there has been considerable debate and anxiety among Fed watchers about what the central bank should do would be an understatement. Chairman Ben Bernanke has indicated in recent speeches that the central bank plans to try to drive down already low interest rates by buying up long-term bonds. A number of people both inside the Fed and out believe this is the wrong move. But one website seems to indicate that Ben’s plan might actually lead to armed conflict. Last week, a post on the blog Zero Hedge said, paraphrasing top economic forecaster David Rosenberg, that the Fed’s plan is not only moronic, but “positions US society one step closer to civil war if not worse.” (See photos inside the world of Ben Bernanke)

I’m not sure what “if not worse,” is supposed to mean. But with the Tea Party gaining followers, the idea of civil war over economic issues doesn’t seem that far-fetched these days. And Ron Paul definitely thinks the Fed should be ended. In TIME’s recent cover story on the militia movement, many said these groups are powder kegs looking for a catalyst. So why not a Fed policy committee meeting? Still, I’m not convinced we are headed for Fedamageddon. That being said, the Fed’s early November meeting is an important one. Here’s why:

Usually, there is generally a consensus about what the Federal Reserve should do. When the economy is weak, the Fed cuts short-term interest rates to spur borrowing and economic activity. When the economy is strong and inflation is rising, it does the opposite. But nearly two years after the Fed cut short-term interest rates to basically zero, more and more economists are questioning whether the U.S. central bank is making the right moves. The economy is still very weak, and unemployment seems stubbornly stuck near 10%.

The problem is that the Fed directly sets only short-term interest rates. And they are already about as close to zero as you can go. That’s why Bernanke has been talking about something called “quantitative easing.” That’s when the Fed basically creates money to buy the long-term bonds that it doesn’t directly control and drives down those interest rates as well. That should further reduce the cost of borrowing for large companies and homeowners. Some people are calling this “QE2″ because the Fed made a similar move during the height of the financial crisis when it bought mortgage bonds. (See photos of the Tea Party movement)

Not everyone agrees this is a good move. In fact, a number of presidents of regional Fed banks, not all of which get to vote at Fed policy meetings, have recently come out against Bernanke’s plan. Some say it sets bad policy. Others think it will stoke inflation, which might be the point. Few, though, have warned of armed conflict. Here’s how Zero Hedge justifies its prediction of why the Fed’s Nov. 3 meeting will lead to violence:

In a very real sense, Bernanke is throwing Granny and Grandpa down the stairs – on purpose. He is literally threatening those at the lower end of the economic strata, along with all who are retired, with starvation and death, and in a just nation where the rule of law controlled instead of being abused by the kleptocrats he would be facing charges of Seditious Conspiracy, as his policies will inevitably lead to the destruction of our republic.

O.K. The idea that Bernanke might kill large swaths of low-income neighborhoods or Florida by his plan to further lower interest rates is a little ridiculous. But there is a point in Zero Hedge’s crazy. Lower rates do tend to favor borrowers over savers. And the largest borrowers in the country are banks, speculators and large corporations. The largest spenders in the U.S., though, tend to be individuals. Consumer spending makes up 70% of the economy. And the vast majority of consumers are on the low end of the income scale. So I think it is a valid question to ask whether the Fed’s desire to drive down interest rates at all costs is working. Companies are already borrowing at low rates. They are just not spending. (Read a special report on the financial crisis blame game)

That being said, civil war, probably not. “It is a gross exaggeration,” says Allan Meltzer, who is a top Fed historian at Carnegie Mellon. “I cannot recall ever learning about riots or civil war even when the Fed made other mistakes.” When I called, David Rosenberg was traveling and couldn’t talk, but he did send me a quick e-mail to stress that he has never, ever suggested that any moves the Fed makes will lead to a militia uprising.

Some smart people, though, including Meltzer, it appears, and Rosenberg do think the path of quantitative easing that the Fed looks likely to embark on is the wrong move. John Taylor, a top Fed scholar at Stanford, says eventually, you will have to pull the support out, and when you do a year from now when the economy is recovering he thinks it could be quite disruptive. So even if you don’t double-dip now, you might double-dip then. And even if you don’t, it would make for a slow recovery. Others, like Raghuram Rajan, who became famous for warning about the possibility of a financial crisis back in 2005, believe low interest rates could be creating new bubbles in, say, gold or commodities.

So it seems clear what the Fed is likely to do. How the economy, the militias and the rest of us react is up in the air. The countdown is on. T-minus 15 days to Fedamageddon. See you then, hopefully.

More on Time.com:

Photos: A Brief History of the Federal Reserve Bank

TIME’s Person of the Year 2009: Ben Bernanke

The Winners and Losers of the Wall Street Mess

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  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Here are two problems, expressed in the post: “The US central bank is expected to announce its next move to boost the faltering economic recovery.”
    .
    and “When the economy is weak, the Fed cuts short-term interest rates to spur borrowing and economic activity. When the economy is strong and inflation is rising, it does the opposite.”

    The first problem is the Fed doesn’t have the tools to do what President Obama and the Congress are too timid to do. The economy is starved for money, and the solution is massive deficit spending, but the debt-hawks have everyone intimidated, so Obama and Congress want the Fed to do the heavy lifting.

    The second problem is: Cutting interest rates does not, and never has, stimulated the economy. There is zero relationship between low rates and economic growth (See: Item 10 at http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/introduction/ ).

    Somewhere, the myth has been that high rates cure inflation and low rates cure recession, but inflation is not the opposite of recession, so doing the opposite makes no sense.

    As for low rates stimulating borrowing — well maybe — but they sure don’t stimulate lending, and it takes two to tango.

    Finally, isn’t it strange that the pundits want more borrowing by the private sector (which can barely pay the debt it already has), but is against further borrowing by the federal government, which can pay any size debt? Ignorance.

    By the way, while increases in federal debt growth historically cure recessions, increases in private debt growth cause recessions. Don’t believe me? See: http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/is-federal-money-better-than-other-money/ — Is Federal Money Better Than Other Money.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • economicsfordemocrats

    After almost a hundred years of errors causing recession and depressions, it is time to replace the Fed with another distribution system of new money.

    Will it take some sort of violent or extreme protests to motivate change??

    Elimination of the creation of money by issuing debt both private and public is the answer!!

    See http://www.monetary.org

    Mark S. Pash, CFP
    Center for Progressive Economics

  • leopardcolony

    I’ve read elsewhere that the fed is buying Treasury Bonds. Doing so not only helps reduce interest rates but directly finances the growing federal deficit by printing money. Our government is in a financial crisis, just like France, UK, Greece. If entitlement programs were cut we would have rioting that would make France look like a picnic. Hyper inflation from printing will instead directly attack retires, most of whom are white. It will be taken as a racial attack from a government already believed by many to be anti-white. Add in defacto amnesty for illegal immigrants who take jobs away from working class whites. Further fuel on white anger. Civil War II is at hand.

  • http://thepraiseoffolly.wordpress.com/ Folly

    Nice photo showing Confederate soldiers as the attackers. No slant there.

  • mo23f

    The illusion that is money is unraveling because we have fiscal sociopaths in Congress who have destroyed the very basis of “value” for it with massive debt and printing presses. A financial meltdown, much like the plot in a book I read 15 years ago called A Distant Crossing, is on the horizon. Then it will be back to the drawing boards.

  • anntink

    The reason “the economy is starved for money” is because the FED has been lending it interest free to the banksters, who in turn use that same money to gamble on Wall Street. Why would they lend money to small businesses at low interest rates when they’re guaranteed higher profits by gambling… opps! I meant INVESTING on Wall Street. and of course the U.S. Government is always there to bail them out if they get in too deep. What a racket! Al Capone would be proud.

  • http://micscottmd.wordpress.com micscottmd

    The reason for the civil war is that Bernacke by printing money out of thin air. He decreases the value of the dollar which makes everything more expensive. Who is most affected those on fixed incomes: retirees, unemployed, and the employed not getting salary increases. Who gets all these printed dollars the banksters and Wall Street who have put us in this situation. This is not designed to help Main Street, cheaper prices would help Main Street.
    The lie is that our exports will be cheaper and we will export more, so hence jobs. Ignores that fact that we import more than export and that the raw materials will be more expensive.
    Bernacke and Obama have long stopped caring about Main Street. Print those dollars, steal from ordinary Americans, give those dollars to Wall Street to keep the insolvent fraud going. Keep interest rates at zero so we get nothing for saving and then the banks can loan it back to us with interest.

  • aldobrandini

    “After almost a hundred years of errors causing recession and depressions, it is time to replace the Fed with another distribution system of new money.
    Will it take some sort of violent or extreme protests to motivate change??
    Elimination of the creation of money by issuing debt both private and public is the answer!!”

    Bravo! All true, all true…but it goes deeper than that im afraid.

    We must unmask once and for all, ALL the banking families that privately own the FED as a conduit of the UK and EUROPE, as the majority of the class A shareholders are European and sit in the House of Windsor and the House of Hanover, operating from London.

    AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

  • turnech

    Roger, how the heck is massive deficit spending going to flood the economy with money and make any lasting difference? Haven’t TARP and the stimulus already demonstrated to you that such Keynesian meddling is an abject failure??? The economy IS starved for money, but not because the federal government and the FED aren’t printing and spending enough (which is laughable stupidity). The economy is starved for money because investors (individuals, institutional investors, Corporations) are terrified of the Obama administration and are currently faced with extremely high levels of uncertainty regarding the regulatory and tax conditions that will exist in the next 12 months.

    For those of us who are actually involved in running a business and interact with bankers regularly regarding the availability of financing for businesses and their activity, we know that the economy is starved for financing becuase the FDIC has become a terrorist organization. The FDIC has gone from being merely an insurer of deposits to an all-powerful bureaucracy that attempts to micromanage every aspect of the US banking system. Unfortunately for us, the FDIC, like all government bureaucracies, is populated with idiots who have little private sector experience and is being directed by an Obama Administration with ZERO private sector experience. The answers for our economy are simple and have proven effective every single time they are tried:

    Significantly cut corporate, capital gains, and personal income taxes, dramatically reduce the regulatory burdens foisted on the private sector by an overreaching, tyrranical Federal bureaucracy, and stop MESSING with interest rates and the money supply and let the market determine the cost of money. Do those simple things and you will see economic activity in this country explode. The only problem is, BO would never countenance such policy changes because he is a dyed in the wool Marxist.

  • 18echo

    As long a politicians leave office when they lose, the threat of a civil war is very low. The Tea Party folks are interested in debt, spending, The Constitution and opposing the lurch towards a social democracy. They are not radical militia types no matter what the main stream media would have you believe. Having said that, sooner or later the government must face the fact that it has run our of OUR money. As the people assert more control there will have to be radical cuts in social programs or radical increases in taxes. There is NO FREE LUNCH. When that happens the possibility of social unrest goes up but it won’t come from the Tea Party people it will come from those that depend on the government for everything from food to housing. That is how you get to Greek and French style rioting, not by Militias but by the welfare recipients when they are told that there is no more freebies.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    I wonder about the origin of the strange notion that printing money is bad for business. Yes, banks have caused the recession (See: http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/three-problems-the-banks-the-banks-the-banks/ ) and yes, they are under-supervised.
    .
    But the fact remains, the stimulus efforts have been too little, too late. I wrote about this way back on April 9, 2008
    .
    Those who say the stimulus “didn’t work” remind of the guy whose house is on fire. A neighbor runs with a garden hose and starts spraying, but the fire continues. The neighbor wants to call the fire department, which would bring the big hoses, but the guy says, “Don’t call. As you can see, water doesn’t put out fires.”
    .
    One simple step would end this recession, today: Eliminate FICA.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • funksoul6

    The economy is NOT starved for money. The Fed has increased excess bank reserves from the normal $2 to $3 billion to nearly a trillion dollars. The problem is that with all of the uncertainty created by the Obama administration, corporate managers are reluctant to borrow to fund a business expansion or to hire people.

    You sound like a Krugman disciple. He initially called for a $600 billion stimulus plan as being “just right.” He got $800 billion. Now that that has been squandered with little economic growth to show for it he is calling for another $800 billion in spending. With Keynesians it’s never enough. When their policies don’t work, they can always say it’s because we didn’t spend enough. The government could pass a $3 trillion stimulus package and if that didn’t work you and they could always say it was because the package was too timid and not big enough.

    Keynesian views like yours are the rantings of an economic illiterate and display a lack of common sense.

  • corautmors

    Come on now guys. Why don’t you print the truth. The truth being that the Fed is a privately owned bank, and no more a part of the government than Mcdonalds is. The Fed is the main cause of all our economic woes and needs to be dismantled. Why should we ( the taxpayers ) have to pay interest to a central bank on our own money when the government ( which is the institution actually charged with the printing of money ) could do so without the interest ( now think of the trillions printed recently and imagine the interest payments ).

    Jefferson knew of the dangers of central banks :

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will
    grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

  • http://glapple.wordpress.com zimmy

    The problem I see with this piece is that it is largely predicated on comments made in a zerohedge.com piece that comes to largely unsubstantiated conclusions. Civil war? Really?

    No offense intended to zerohedge, but did at what point did this site become legitimized in the business and finance community such that the writers at Time.com now base sensationalistic headlines on their work.

    If you check zerohedge’s home page, nearly all of their posts are written by a writer using the pen name, Tyler Durden, a character in Fight Club determined to bring down the world’s banking and credit systems.

    That’s all I have to say about that.

  • 1peanut

    It is unfortunate that the focus is on QE2 as a solution and the premise is that we need rapid expansion of the monetary base at essentially zero interest rates to cure the economy. Quite the opposite is true. The FED should immediately reverse course and implement an increase in the Fed Funds rate and guide expectations in that direction. The fear of asset bubbles and zero rate returns for the existing substantial risks are paralyzing any potential to lend or circulate money. QE2 will only put more cash at vitually no interest rate under more matresses or in more vaults, but will do nothing to cure the current ills.

    Currently, banks, companies and other institutional investors as well as individuals are highly liquid. The problem is that the Fed and federal government have managed EXPECTATIONS into the toilet. All the parties with liquidity are afraid of the government’s planned massive quantitative easing (unless of course you are part of the captive audience with high leverage capturing minimal spreads to get to your return thresholds), the lack of suitable investment vehicles with acceptable risk/return metrics, and the prospect of massive inflation with a subsequent untimely withdrawal of money from the system at an inopportune time. Talk with any bankers (even ones in somewhat difficult straights, but not zombie banks). They have cash, but are seeing zero demand outside of the real estate speculator/buyer or the commodity speculator/buyer. And, they don’t want to loan long term on any fixed basis at the current rates.

    The current problems the FED is attacking are political in nature–excessive government spending, trying to save upside down homeowners (and commercial real estate borrowers) by allowing low rate refinancing, and monetizing the debt. In essence, the FED is still geared towards rewarding the miscreants rather than the prudent. As a result, pricing is artifically high for assets/investments and no market clearing is occurring. Ask those with money and you will see hurdle rates for investment at a huge number due to the uncertainty and the lack of competition for deal flow (deal flow doesn’t exist). When rates start to creep up, you will start to see the asset bubbles begin to shrink and will see money start to come off the sidelines. At some future time, the FED can assess if the economy is liquidity constrained, but it is not the case at the present time. The market needs to start seeing some indication of pricing of returns for the risk–it doesn’t exist today. These parties are happy to sit on the sidelines with cash at no return rather than risk re-investing for the current returns offered versus potential for a large loss of principal.

  • sparnman

    We NEED a revolution, whether by arms or not. The Federal Reserve is the greatest scam ever devised. For those of you who don’t know, the Federal Reserve Bank is a PRIVATE Bank that is PRIVATELY owned, by it’s member banks.

    Yes, that’s right the owners of teh FED are other wealthy, powerful, elite bankers. These people have been given carte blanche to manipulate or money supply, financial markets and destroy our currency. I urge you to read up on how the FED was created…during a time when many congressmen and women weren’t even in session. They even purposely named this bank “The FEDERAL reserve” to trick people into believing it was a governmenet bank.

    This should make you mad. It should make you really really really mad, angry, furious! Your elected leaders have been in bed with these filthy banksters, other coporate pigs and their lobbyists for decades. Never before in the earth’s history has the wealth of the world been held by so few people. You couple this with the fact that there are NO TERM LIMITS for congress and you get a recipe for corruption.

    It’s time for Americans of all walks of life to wake up! You are being robbed of your liberty, your livelihoods are in jeopardy, and only you can stop the madness.

  • sparnman

    Exactly. Not one major media outlet EVER mentions the fact that the FED is privately owned and operated for profit.

  • safetymel

    I will use small words and keep it short so everyone can undestand.
    STEP 1 – QUIT printing money
    STEP 2 – Let the companies and people who are failing go ahead and fail.
    STEP 3 – Do away with the federal reserve and the federal income tax.
    STEP 4 – Put in place a flat consumption tax of 25% and be done with it.
    STEP 5 – REQUIRE the federal government to live within it’s means. NO MORE DEFECIT SPENDING

    Sit back and watch America prosper again.

  • craniumlogos

    Rodger, you are not thinking, you are simply prescribing the medicine you’ve been taught, without regard to the actual facts we are immersed in: Keynes did not envision a time when there was massive, ongoing, structurally built-in public deficit spending and massive unsustainable levels of public debt; therefore his medicine won’t work with this patient. The markets are seized up because of fear about running the printing presses, fear of new regulations, and fear of massive deficits that can never be repaid. And you are proposing to fix this with more of the same? Preposterous!

  • http://endoflux.wordpress.com/ limxdul

    Roger; you need to have a reality check — the Federal Reserve Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act gave powers (and not the first time) to the private central bank to control the amount of money in the money supply.

    What they are doing now is printing a shit load of greenbacks; then buying it back in forms of bonds and securities; devaluing every other countries investment in gov treasuries. When this occurs (probably at a rate of 100 Billion per day) the rest of the worlds investment in the US economy will be wiped out in a matter of weeks.

    Ask your employer to be paid in swiss francs or sterlings

    Also see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936# if you are really interested in the war for monetary control this country has waged

  • Zack F

    If the Fed causes a civil war, it will only be due to its enabling the destruction of our currency, causing societal turmoil and anarchy. I’d be more worried about a civil war between the elites that benefit from the Fed system, and the poor and middle class that are being destroyed by it.

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  • http://eujenek.wordpress.com eujenek

    Bernanke is using the wrong economic models. It is clear he has no clue as to the harm he is doing to the world economies with the wild swings in the value of the US$. Perhaps he will resign and write fiction. Please refrain from teaching the wrong ideas to future economists.

  • dpscll

    The FED has already created 44 billion dollars out of thin air since September and they are using it to pump up the stock market through their POMO coupons. With this, they don’t even need QE2. Nobody has the guts to question them, let alone stop em! They should be tried for TREASON!

  • http://sardondi.wordpress.com sardondi

    Regardless of whether this article is a function of how out of touch with middle America Time is, or another example of the ill will toward the “Tea Party” phenomenon which Time has demonstrated in the past; I am nothing short of flabbergasted. How bizarre, misconceived and baseless are its charges is scarcely be described.

    Just listen to yourselves: you actually claim that the Tea Party followers and “militias” do not merely find highly objectionable the policies and practices of the Federal Reserve system (to which subject it is unlikely a majority of Tea Patiers have given significant thought, as there are much more pressing issues at hand); but that the movement stands ready to foment armed rebellion because of it. Ye gods and little fishes.

    I realize a political movement and its supporters can not seek redress for defamation in a court of law; and so there is no literal legal requirement that charges against millions of conspiracy to commit treason have a basis in fact. But there is such as thing as the court of public opinion, and if for no other reason than respect for the truth as well as its readership, Time owes it to Americans to lay out, in detail, the evidence it has gathered in support of the allegations that Tea Partiers are preparing armed revolt.

    You do have some, don’t you? I mean, Time wouldn’t have just pasted some unsupported, bizarre allegations of scary-crazy Tea Party plans just because they could get away with the cheap shot, would it? I’m sure Time has the classified “Top Tea” list of grievances against the Constitution, as well as the proclamation of a state of rebellion and war, signed by “Commandante Tetley” and “Madam Lipton” themselves; some secretly made tapes of strategy meetings; undercover videos of the arms factories operated in “Christianist: places of “worship” and overseen by their “pastors”; and finally the hundreds of emails, cell records and bills of lading proving that Rupert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh, Richard Mellon Scaife, the Koch Brothers and the Walton and Coors Families put up the hundreds of billions of dollars for propaganda and the purchase of a massive amount of military-grade weapons, including Ukrainian nukes, necessary to carry out this rebellion? You do have this kind of proof, right? Time didn’t just throw a bunch of offal up against the wall to see what would stick, did it

    Because if it weren’t so downright out-of-left-field loony, such an accusation, as heinous and scurrilous as it is, had it been made about an individual 200 years ago, would have doubtless resulted in an immediate demand for satisfaction. Time can hardly have been more calculatingly insulting.

    But then that is your purpose, isn’t it? No, Time isn’t completely clueless, and this article is no mistake or oversight. Time is just continuing its campaign against the Tea Party movement, because, as you know, Time’s readership, influence and revenue, already greatly diminished, will continue to shrink should a majority of supporters of the Tea Party philosophy be elected. So Time has drawn a line in the sand, and waved the bloody flag of civil war.

    To coin a phrase which Time seems to think belongs to its friends among the political elites only, “Have you no decency?”.

    Well, do you?

  • sparnman

    Not only that,but every day the FED artificially depresses rates in the bond markets, they chase investors into higher yielding investments, .i.e Stocks

  • obentag

    This strikes me as a pretty lazy hit piece against anyone who criticizes the Federal Reserve. We need to be able to as a society have an open and honest debate about whether the central banking model has served the people of this country, and not just a few jet set elites. Yet all we get is talk of “militias” and “powder kegs” from Time.

    Andrew Jackson ended the central bank of his time without a civil war. This country was started without a central bank, and quickly grew into the most prosperous and productive country on Earth. Since the creation of the Fed our dollar has lost more than 97% of its purchasing power, now all we produce is Synthetic Collateralized Debt Obligations, and other varieties of Derivitaves. People need to wake up and realize that this country doesn’t even produce all of the military hardware our war machine uses anymore.

    This economic system was designed like a giant vacuum cleaner to suck the wealth of the country upwards to the hands of the central bankers, and it has just about succeeded in its mission. Our real productive economy has been replaced with a paper economy where Wall Street bankers shower bonuses on each other while main stream Americans are losing their homes.

    I don’t hope for civil war, instead I hope that enough people will wake up to the corrupt system so that this can be ended without needing to fight.

  • obentag

    They’re not just gambling it on Wall Street (although that is going on), the banks are clearly using the “bailout money” to buy up hard assets and infrastructure.

    When TARP happened we were told that it would allow the banks to work with homeowners that fell behind in renegotiation of their mortgages. Instead the banks took the money, and then once their balance sheets were in the black again they started siezing every property they could lay their hands on, because the Congress let TARP pass with provisions allowing the banks to have their cake and eat it too.

    Consumer confidence is so low because the banks themselves are not acting like they expect the economy to recover, they’re acting like they expect a fire sale on US dollars in the near future.

  • quantumplanner

    This is a great debate and I appreciate all of the opinions. Whether there is civil unrest or not to me is a sideline question, it will be short-lived as the attention span of the American citizen is short and we are on to the next thing (rermember the Gulf Oil Spill?).

    My concern is that this whole discussion in focused on monetary policy and disconnected from what is going on in the real economy. The bottom line is too much supply of most products, recent over consumption based on the bubble,and income dsparity in which poor people who will actually spend money don’t have any (high employment especially for minorities). Playing around with money is too indirect to address those underlying issues. The real economy that people live everyday needs to be addressed by putting more money into the hands of people who need it and who will spend it. With unemployment being so high the only way to do this is with government support. The right wing, and their unfortunately poor followers, for some reason believe that giving to your neighbor (be he or she Black, White or Hispanic) is wrong. Helping the poor is somehow a bad thing.

  • cjm1952

    Rodger, it is ridiculous to say that the economy is starved for money. Banks, corporations, and individuals all have money. Many individuals are not going to buy anything except silver and food as long as those in charge are steering this country toward destruction.

    Later, you seem to state that the federal government can pay any size debt. That might be true if the government could create money directly, instead of borrowing it from the Federal Reserve.

  • gopeye

    In part, Time has lost cred over the years and thus stoops to reporting this blog prediction as some widely valid notion. The purpose is to wave a distracting red flag(some might believe it is also to set up militia, tea partiers,etc as the fall guys so action can be taken against them–somehow/when)
    Now, given that, is it not the case that we are already in a ‘cold’ civil war? Pat Buchanan called it a culture war.
    The Fed as a central bank(as pointed out above, was eliminated, it can be so again) however, the problem is not the fact of whether there ought to be a civil war or whether the economy is actually under the heel of the FR, the question is what is the PERCEPTION. If some frightened person(s) think they are being deprived of something and they think you have what they need to survive, odds are they are coming for it, facts be damned. On a broad scale, you get France in America. A cinder fanned into flames by stupid articles like this one in Time.
    We use the ballot, not the bullet, as the Dems lie and cheat and try to steal this election, they may provoke the very thing they decry. Maybe on purpose? The Dems CAUSED the Civil War, they CREATED Jim Crow, They set the dogs on the Marchers, they have created a new plantation class of dependents(not just Af-Ams), if the dependents think the gravy train will come to an end, since there are far more now than there were in Ol’ Hickory’s time, steeped in instant gratification, there could be trouble.
    the french youth in their twenties are rioting over a retierment age FORTY years down the road, what happens in a culture drenched in instant gratification?

  • reasonsjester

    I don’t know if I fully go along with the thrust of the article, that the Fed policies will cause a Civil War, but at least there are some alert writers at Time looking out for the public interest for a change. For that, I commend Time.

    By the way, hyper-inflation, if it occurs, does have the potential to stoke a Civil War. That is for real.

  • cjm1952

    The Congress critters, the President and the Federal Reserve Chairman have all shown that they are not on the side of the people of this country. Everyone knows that causing inflation would only help the banksters in their manipulation game. It will devastate the rest of us.

    If there is any civil unrest, I predict that it will be directed toward Congress, with a demand to “end the Fed”. If it were possible, the banksters would be rounded up and put “on trial”. The banksters are attempting to take money from all of us through manipulation of the stock market and through fraudulent banking practices, etc. It would be funny if they had the tables turned on them.

  • cjm1952

    quantumplanner, there is nothing wrong with helping the poor. What is wrong is the government intentionally destroying jobs. If you believe that is not happening, you need to read about the strategy of Cloward and Piven. In a nutshell, their strategy was to overwhelm the welfare system in order to destroy capitalism. The total destruction of this economy is a very real possibility to those who are paying attention. We are between a rock and a hard place. First, the banksters create a crisis with their phoney derivatives. (This crisis didn’t affect real people except that we had to pay for it). Then, we elect a President who sticks it up the butt of small businesses. (This affects us all because of unemployment.) Lastly, the Federal Reserve uses the bad economy as an excuse to cause inflation, which is outright theft.

  • mark8585

    I hope something pushes us towards a real honest to God revolution. This bunch of professional pols and bureaucrats has ruined this country. I want a part time Congress with real citizen legislators, God knows they they couldn’t screw things up worse than they are now. It doesn’t need to be this complicated people, trust me, Lincoln ran the entire Civil War with less staff than Obama has to run the kitchen. Think about that, a half million people were being killed and communications were nothing compared to what we have today. Forget about making government the center of our lives, they do nothing well. Read A Revolution by Dave Leonard and see if you don’t agree with me. It doesn’t have to be like this.

  • quantumplanner

    A read of Robert Frank’s Oct 16 piece in the NYT on income inequality and its impacts would widen this debate into other matters that really count. It is not just about the Fed, it is about the larger policies in our nation and companies that have led to the rich getting richer at the expense of us all. Where we have gotten lost is that the share of increase in productivity in the economy has gone disproportionately to the owners of capital and not the workers. So much so that the owners of capital just began to gamble with in on Wall Street and thus brought us to where we are now. Fed policies are just one weak arm to deal with this. Policies that will strengthen unions and workers rights will go a long way to bring balance back into how the benefits of innovation are shared.

  • bruski60

    Right on!

    Will it happen?

    Not in our lifetimes.

    Hyperinflation comes first then fascism then?

    Cheers,

    b

  • bruski60

    Greenspan, now Bernanke et.al. have forgotten (or never learned?) history.

    They have and are repeating the incredible stupidity of printing (creating credit out of thin air) money that ended in the Weimar inflation which set up that country for Mr. Hitler.

    Hyperinflation is well on the way.

    Cheers,

    B

  • http://1836davycrockett.wordpress.com 1836davycrockett

    I too, applaud Time for printing this article, although I think Time is trying to highlight “it’s” rendition of crazy right wingers or the nefarious “militia” to which they’ve eluded. Look, one doesn’t need to be an economist to understand that inflation has been going on in the US for over 6 months now and will escalate with “quantative easing” (sic). Mr. Malcolm has a bold writing style, but that does not replace reality. Mr. Malcolm should “get out of himself” and look elsewhere for answers, like HISTORY. Bob Dylan said: “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”. And if you buy ANYTHING (excepting real estate), and remember what it cost you 9 months ago, then you will know the truth.

    Will hyperinflation cause civil disobedience? Let’s see, millions of baby boomers retiring every day and that number is growing. Personally, in the last 46 years I’ve paid SSI ( the I stands for INSURANCE, by the way) about $250K from my pocket. The reality is I paid twice that because if the GOVT. had NOT required it, I would have received all $500K. Now the Govt. is going to make MY (and everyone else’s) $250K worth about $100K. And this is after they’ve stolen from the People to buy GM, Freddie, Fannie, blah, blah, blah. I’m 60 years old. What can my wife and I do against the wealth and might of the US Govt?

  • ricksamerican

    An unfortunate headline. Clearly (and unfortunately) you don’t spend much time at zerohedge, which is probably the best financial blog around–albeit heavy with irony, caustic understatement, and irreverent humour. Tyler Durden is the nom de plume of a whole slew of analysts, not of a single individual. To turn zh’s tongue-in-check paraphrase of David Rosenberg (who is Canadian, btw) into an excuse for bashing the tea party and linking it to militias is pretty craven journalism.

    What surprises me here is the number of well-informed, literate, reasonable people making comments. I never imagined TIME still had any such readers left.

  • http://1836davycrockett.wordpress.com 1836davycrockett

    You are right. Time DOES NOT have that many well informed readers. This article was JUMP LINK FROM DRUDGE.

  • boholdude

    Printing money dilutes the value of every existing dollar and is in fact an insidious tax increase, without politicians having to actually vote on increasing tax rates. The current diluting of the US dollar is the broadest and largest tax increase available to the federal government, made possible by its control of the Federal Reserve and the Treasury (printing presses). The net sum of US citizen wealth is represented by its dollar equity accounts spread amongst all financial institutions in the country, and that pool of wealth is fast becoming the federal government’s new target as other sources of revenue dry up due to the recession. Overtly heaping more taxes has become a political liability for democrats, but their thirst for more funds and appetite for spending has not diminished. The rabid drooling increasingly socialist party will not ignore this available pool of revenue, but will likely continue to drain its citizen’s wealth dry unless stopped by citizens by throwing the vampires out of office. It targets all forms of existing wealth, literally reaching into every pocket and robbing every American who has any kind cash/equity savings account. $100 earned two years ago and placed into a savings account is now worth $85 dollars on the international market thanks to Democratic domestic and fiscal policies, specifically the National Debt and the overheating printing presses at the Treasury. It’s Obama and the Democrats literally stealing the remainder (after already taxing/skimming ever higher percentages off the top). It also represents a net reduction in real wages for every American worker. Few outside ‘George Soros’ class can anymore afford travel to Asia, Europe, Australia, or anywhere else.
    It’s the paradigm of all 3rd world countries …corruption, graft, nepotism, taxes, and policies designed to protect the ruling class, turning all workers into sustenance survivors. Think about it …why try to put anything away in savings/investment when the value of cash is guaranteed to shrink to nothing as the government prints more and more? So everyone spends as fast as they earn because it is crazy to try to save. The effects are no jobs created, no industry grown, no wealth generated. As the rewards of working are removed, the working class increasingly ask themselves…why save, or for that matter why work!? Might as well just sit back and join the increasing masses on state assistance, or get a government job (join the new socialist elite class). In this way two separate elite classes (government workers with golden pensions and benefits, and existing land barons) are grown. That elite class becomes even more separated from the working class, while the working class rapidly moves from middle to a lower class standard of living, and the lower classes being pushed strait into poverty. Welcome, citizen, to 3rd world economics!
    The last effect of printing money is inflation with its inevitable effects on everyone’s real wages and quality of life thereby. So far inflation has been subdued because the inflationary effects of printing & borrowing has been pretty much matched by deflationary pressures due to the extreme economic contractions and job losses. But instead of a sigh of relief that we have avoided both deflation and inflation, federal officials in the Obama administration are indicating its intent to print more money in a deliberate attempt to actually ‘induce’ higher inflation, one stating “$100 billion a month in bond buys may be appropriate”. The treasury has the power to throttle inflation as high as it likes by printing money in this manner, so we have to assume double digit inflation will be the next stage of this recession. But this time persistent massive unemployment will prevent wages from keeping up with coming inflation, so the net effect will likely be an additional 15% at least on the real value of the dollar during the next two years, possibly more. Thus Obamas policies in his first 4 years will be a contraction in real wages by over 30%. The middle class is under assaulted by Obamanomics, in the form of higher taxes, permanent job losses, and net reduction in wages for all those still fortunate to hold a job. Whatever small social benefit some groups have gained in health care access is grossly overwhelmed by real losses suffered by the majority of hard working Americans. The losses hit across the board, affecting every wage tier and every family. Instead of capitalism and ‘trickle down wealth’ the new paradigm is socialism and ‘trickle up poverty’. Who knew when Obama and his swooning groupies were chanting ‘Yes We Can’ during his election it would lead to this….

  • student1776

    The Fed is operating under outdated, discredited Keynesian concepts inappropriate to a modern economy with an enormous built-in systemic deficit and in doing so is debauching our currency, undermining all incentives to save or invest, and creating a situation that benefits the government (by enabling them to continue to squander trillions) but harms the populance – particularly the poor and the middle class. I do not see a Civil War resulting from this but I do hope that we see a revolt of the electorate throwing out all the big government, big spenders and reigning in the Fed, the whole massive regulatory state while returning control of people’s lives to the people. Doubtless many liberals – who are happiest when dictating how other people will live their lives and spend the money that they earned – will be unhappy with this and hopefully some of them will carry out their threats of emigrating to a socialist state where they feel more comfortable. Good riddance.

  • http://buffyt.wordpress.com buffyt

    “I’m not sure what “if not worse,” is supposed to mean. But, with the Tea Party gaining followers, the idea of civil war over economic issues doesn’t seem that far-fetched these days.”
    I am a Tea Party Member and the LAST THING ON EARTH THAT WE WANT IS CIVIL WAR! We are fearful that other people might start one, like in France and Greece. We want PEACEFUL days

  • http://xrayd.wordpress.com xrayd

    Bernanke and the Feds rely on a neat trick to kill the middle class – they exclude food and energy from their inflation calculation.

    For two years in a row, seniors will not get cost of living adjustments in their social security.

    They, of course, do not consume food and energy according to Ben. And healthcare, which has the highest inflation rate, is the third component of most senior budgets.

    No, no inflation for people. To heck with savers, who are rolling over 5-year CDs that paid them 5% and getting nothing by way of interest they had relied on to supplement their income by saving all their lives.

    The Fed. Its of the banks, for the banks, by the banks. Many of them have engaged in questionable, if not outright fraudulent activities to support their greed habits. No wonder people are “FED UP” to their eye balls.

  • acudoc

    We could continue to re-arrange deck chairs on the Titanic by going deeper into (so-called) debt to the international banking cartel through massive deficit spending—or we could scrap the entire debt-based money system and institute a stand-alone money that has inherent value and that cannot be leveraged
    by fractional-reserve bankers.

    It’s time to man the life-boats—let the bankers board LAST. Let justice prevail, though the heavens fall.

    They are falling anyway.

    @Roger Mitchell
    You analogy of pouring more water on the fire only works if what the bankers are using is actually water. I think the more correct analogy is pouring gasoline on the fire from a bigger hose. The whole concept of debt-based money is flawed. You can’t correct inherent fundamental flaws by shoring up the flawed foundations with more flawed money. At some point we are maxed out in so-called debt! I say so-called debt because in a true loan contract things called consideration get exchanged, something which doesn’t happen in the present situation: we exchange labor and productivity and the years of our lives while they exchange entries in their books, hardly a sweat-breaking operation!

  • http://survivingscrounge.com scrounge4all

    Quantum you obviously are drinking the leftist koolaid. The right actually gives FAR more to their fellow man than the leftists do. Check the donation records for the Democrats versus the Republicans anytime. They not only give more, they tend to give a far higher percentage of THEIR OWN MONEY. Rush Limbaugh probably gives more to charity than the bulk of the Dems in the House and Senate combined. The difference is that conservatives happen to believe the best way to help the poor is to allow everyone to keep more of THEIR OWN MONEY, including the business owners who provide jobs to those who work for them.

    We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. Why wouldn’t a corporation relocate to a place wherein the tax rates may be the difference between turning a profit and going out of business? When business tax rates increase, that business’s ability to grow and provide jobs decreases. Businesses, unlike the federal government, can’t simply print more money and then demand that someone else cover it. Perhaps the best means by which to look at the economy is in the terms of Gross Domestic Product. Taxes and government spending produce no gross domestic product. Funds used to pay taxes to fund government spending produces no Gross Domestic Product. Lower tax rates for producer encourages more production and therefore Higher Gross Domestic Production. Without investment capital, companies and individuals can not invest. Without suitable return on investment, there is no reason to invest. With the government’s recent history of mandating the sale of investments to the government for far below market value the risk of investing in some industries far outweighs any potential for return. With the current pending regulations, taxes and penalties coming from the various and sundry pieces of legislation that Congress has passed WITHOUT READING OR INVESTIGATING the potential unintended consequences over the past 20 months, no truly savvy businessman will invest in ANY of the regulated business sectors unless the administration’s minions are doing so personally. WHY? Because they KNOW that the regulations, taxes and penalties are almost certainly going to crush many businesses.

    Think the Obamacare bill won’t hurt the average person? Here’s a question for you. How much greater of a risk of identity theft does the requirement that anyone selling any item over $600 has to provide the buyer their Name Address and SSN for the purpose of being given a 1099 at year’s end place the seller? Who buys used cars for cash, rich people or poor people? Ever drive through a predominantly Hispanic section of a south western US city? No that’s not a racist remark, Illegal Aliens in this country are predominantly from hispanic countries, and are responsible for BILLIONS of dollars worth of Identity theft losses annually. One Illegal Alien had stolen a woman’s identity in Phoenix and bought over $750,000 worth of homes. When he was arrested, he claimed that he was an honest working man jsut trying to take care of his family. BTW all of the properties went into foreclosure. There alone was $750k of the billions that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lost.

  • tomofsnj

    The federal reserve has purchased 183 billion USA treasury notes in the last month. The problem is they have no money and they print Federal reserve notes to pay for the purchase of the USA treasury notes. It is a clear case of debasement of the currency. It is not the job of the federal reserve to purchase ALL the debt of the out of control federal government can run up. The Federal reserve never should have been created and the nearly 99 percent drop in the purchase value of the dollar clearly shows that it is a useless organization created by the bankers to insure that bankers never miss a bonus check. During the last crises the Federal reserve sent billions and billions to foreign organizations mostly banks. It is the job of the government not the bankers to run foreign policy. I sure hope people understand how poorly the Federal reserve has served in interest of the United States. It is really an organizatio who’s time never was. Help make the USA A BETTER PLACE Abolish the Federal Reserve.

  • kdenninger

    Yoo hoo.

    The original source of your quote is here:

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2214506

    You should read The Ticker more often instead of picking up second-hand slop.

    This is what I said:

    “In a very real sense, Bernanke is throwing Granny and Grandpa down the stairs – on purpose. He is literally threatening those at the lower end of the economic strata, along with all who are retired, with starvation and death, and in a just nation where the rule of law controlled instead of being abused by the kleptocrats he would be facing charges of Seditious Conspiracy, as his policies will inevitably lead to the destruction of our republic.”

    I did not say “revolution”, “civil war” or any such thing.

    And incidentally, what Bernanke is doing both won’t work and WILL screw savers and those on fixed incomes. In fact, it already has. Have you looked at “soft commodity” prices since he started with the monetary threats?

  • ricksamerican

    “The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens.” –John Maynard Keynes

  • jrvinnh

    Henry Ford once said: “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” I think the people of the nation are finally starting to figure it out.

  • http://danthompson1m.wordpress.com danthompson1m

    It’s insulting to the intelligence of your readers to suggest that militias are “powderkegs.” Militias are mandated by the 2nd Amendment to the constitution, and consist of every able bodied person able to bear arms. Our Constitution mandates a system like Switzerland’s, where every person has a gun and is trained in it’s use, in case of invasion. State National Guards (now federalized, and so equivalent to dangerous standing armies, which free, Constitutional, militias were mandated to supplant) are decidedly NOT militias -though anti-constitutional gun-grabbers would have us believe the Guards are militias. I challenge your readers to look into their local militia organizations, who are training to uphold the Constitutional government – uncorrupted government, government of laws, not of men. They are our last defense against totalitarianism. If you are afraid of them being active, then be the FIRST defense, and vote for limited government, sound money policy and an end to foreign entanglements.

  • starbuc4

    I doubt americans will revolt over anything.
    Theyve sent our jobs overseas,and no one revolted.
    Theyve wrecked most of us financially with no hope of recovery, no one revolted.
    Our retirement ages have been raised,and no one revolted
    We have no privacy anywhere, no one revolted,
    We endure constant insults at the airports, no one revolted Theres something wrong with our food supply,everyone is fat and sick. no one revolted.
    Our medical system is a shambles and they call it the best, no one revolted.
    we endure constant non stop wars, no one revolted.
    everyone hates us for it. no one revolted.
    much of our hard won technologies have been handed to the chinese for profit, ” it used to be treason to do this”, no one revolted.
    We have given the chinese the ability to attack us. no one revolted.
    Were TRILLIONS in debt overnight, thats some trick, no one revolted.
    jobs are not coming back, no one revolted
    any savings and or retirements still in existence are about to be taken to pay the trillions in debt, no one will revolt.
    When theres a disaster, natural or otherwise we lose our rights and no one revolts.
    The cops dont need warrants anymore and if you resist the search you can be shot,and no one revolts.
    Revolt wont happen until enough Americans are hungry, then they may revolt.
    Even then i have my doubts. if they do revolt who are they going to revolt against?
    Americans will just run about shooting each other, and taking each others stuff. itll be stupid and a waste of time.
    Its revolting to think about it

  • txbankruptcynerd

    “…the Time article may have blundered on what to call it, but even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut. We aren’t about to witness a modern-day “Civil War,” rather, it’s a modern-day, MARK MY WORDS: VIOLENCE-FREE analog to Shay’s Rebellion…”

    http://txbankruptcynerd.blogspot.com/2010/10/we-are-witnessing-modern-day-shays.html

  • myfigment

    Is it possible that the Fed has to keep interest rates at zero because the Government cannot pay the interest on its debt?

  • crussell619

    November 10 – 100 million person march begins at Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego and gathers strength as the American people travel across the country to DC. Be there at noon and friend me on face book. It’s now or never! – Curt Russell

  • viper23

    For a long time now there’s been too much crap being brought into this country compared to the amount of crap that’s been going out. We’ve been making up the difference by packing up and sending out large boxes full of dollars. The only way to keep that from starving our economy of dollars has been to create a method of producing fake money (mortgage backed securities and CDS’s come to mind here) Someone pulled the curtain on that one and it turns out that much of the nation has lost its job making stuff and is up to its eyeballs in debt. Meanwhile we continue to do our best to keep the crap from outside this country coming in.

    There are only two ways to fix this.

    1. Create a ton of cash out of thin air so we can keep sending it out for more crap. (This also has the side effect of encouraging money hoarders to spend their de-valuating cash)

    or

    2. Turn off all imports. This would of course cause other countries to turn off our exports, but since we’re a net importer by a large margin, it should do wonders for our internal economics.

  • ursusindomitus

    I’m sure that’s EXACTLY what they want, in time to declare Martial Law and bar elections, if not within 2 weeks, then in 2012.

    Down with the Fed, NGOs and Banksters.

  • http://gsteshen.wordpress.com gsteshen

    Economy is not starving for money. There is simply not much of economy left in this country. Almost everything more or less valuable has been outsourced or transferred overseas. The US has no longer the manufacturing base and serious R&D. There are no quality jobs created. As a result, the US consumer is destroyed. You cannot consume the Chinese goods and send to China the green paper – it wount last for long.
    There is still some vestigial R&D, some good university science left in the US, but it is imperceivable in comparison to the urgently needed re-industrialization of this country.
    No Bernanke & Co.’s financial chicanery would be able to revive the US economy. The showered money would be spent on the China-made trinkets, giving only a temporary boost to the sales in this country, and will have only 2 lasting effects – devaluation of the American peso in relation to the tangible assets (gold, silver, other metals, oil), and the increased pressure upon the rest of the world to decouple from the US.
    Amen.

  • bikerdog

    When the author said, “I’m not sure what “if not worse,” is supposed to mean. But, with the Tea Party gaining followers, the idea of civil war over economic issues doesn’t seem that far-fetched these days.” he lost all credibility with me.

    Why does he choose one organization the members of which have never advocated nor shown any bent for violence to scapegoat as his target for his centerpiece.

    It is much more likely that the Black Panthers would want to separate from the rest of the country since the rest is majority white.

    This kind of nonsense causes more trouble than ever it prevents, an obvious reason why leftist mags. like Time and Newsweek are failing or have failed completely.

  • Zack F

    Karl,
    Time.com (and the majority of the MSM) lives off second-hand slop. It’s much easier to do so than perform real journalism that questions the powers that be. Instead of performing the necessary function of the Fourth Estate, Time.com will generally be with the braying establishment chorus damning messengers such as yourself and Wikileaks. Their role is to lull the masses with a “nothing to see here” attitude while we are being looted and abused. Keep up the good work that you’re doing on The Ticker; some of us prefer reality.

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  • coltster

    Aldobrandini: How did you come up with House of Windsor and House of Hanover? That is a ridiculous comment. For starters Hanover went out over a century ago. House of Windsor is merely the family name of the current monarch. Neither have anything to do with the Fed reserve.

    Try N.M. Rothchild & Sons. Their home base is in London, but they are Jewish commercial bankers. They have controlled a lot of the commercial banking industry sine the early 1800′s. They were joined by the Warburgs and Rockefellers.

    The Federal Reserve is controlled by a certain “faction” and dictates to OUR country, makes financial policy and basically controls the flow of money by virtue of a forced “Federal Reserve Act” (illegal) passed in 1913. It is in direct conflict with the constitution as the FRS usurps our Treasury Dept.

    Here is a good article on just how crooked the FRS is and how the world has been duped. If our government had any guts, they would do away with the FRS.
    http://www.healthfreedom.info/Federal_Reserve_Fraud.htm

  • coltster

    In addition to all the ills the Federal Reserve System foists on sovereign countries, there is also the issue of the “Cloward-Piven strategy”. It is has been in effect for some 40+ years among socialist minded thinkers.

    Obama and both Clintons were followers of Alinsky as were Cloward and Piven. Read the Motor Voter Act signed into law by Clinton in 1993. Another good eye opener is “American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan”. Then along comes the latest stooge with Cash for Clunkers, GM bailout, stimulus checks just before an election, ect., etc. A lot of the money Pbama and his ilk have been doling out has been orchestrated BY none other than the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM.

    Between the socialist movement creating one financail crisis after another and the FRS, the climate of our financial security (and politics) was well orchestrated many years ago.

    It is true, if you create enough havoc, scare enough people and control their money/welfare, you control the country then the world. Think it is all hype? Guess again. Try reading “Global Tyranny: Step by Step” by William Jasper.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the_clowardpiven_strategy_of_e.html

    http://www.infowars.com/obama-the-cloward-piven-strategy-and-the-new-world-order/

  • coltster

    No that is not the reason. It costs the Fed Res pennies to print one dollar, but we, the people are charged the full ONE dollar. They loan at that full dollar rate and it adds up to some mighty big interest that they KNOW can’t be paid back. Unless of course we, as a country wake up.

    Plus, when interest is low, sounds great. Truth is, not many banks will loan money because they cannot make money. The FRS knows this. So, all the banks across the country have their money…OUR money sitting in their fed banks to loan internationally and/or invest to their benefit. There is NOTHING generous about the FRS. There is nothing honest about them.

    They manipulate you, me and the whole world and NO ONE seems to care. Truly, if it takes a civil uprising to get rid of them as well as hopefully get some honest people to represent us….then so be it. But, Americans need to wake up and start campaigning against this illegal organization.

  • uglywomansguide

    I’ve been a small business owner for more than 20 years. Small businesses create 70% of new employment. Obama is killing us all off, one by one.

    We’re being taxed to death and regulated to death and scrutinized to death and the IRS is a big ugly stick that the government wields to bludgeon us into submission.

    The government is the enemy of small enterprise and hard-workers and honest people. It was never supposed to be this way.

    Today’s Government and their Federal Reserve are the modern Robber Barons. If we’re to save what remains of America, something has to change – and soon.

  • Stephen Gandel

    I did not mean to say that the Tea Party or its followers are prone to violence, or any more than any other group. My point was that economic issues are at the heart of the Tea Party movement. And so things like the Federal Reserve can be a major rallying point. The Black Panthers for instance would be less likely to be riled up by moves by Ben Bernanke.

  • obummerr

    I searched all these comments and nowhere could I find the words Glass-Steagall.

    O.K., a good place to see the original text:

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Banking_Act_of_1933_%28Federal_Reserve_Circular_1248%29.djvu/1

    The print/export option is in the left column of the web page. Keep yourself a copy, and browse the contents.

    Without this type of reform, we go nowhere.

    I would also like to point out that Bernanke is not the President. No President is bound by law to put up with this insanity.

  • jamesrechtet

    Although your analogy might seem sensible, I would have to ask here, have you ever seen the fire department actually put out a house fire that was already too far gone to save?

    Your analogy of using a garden hose to put out a roaring house fire is laughable, since the big hoses generally don’t quench roaring house fires either, they generally just keep the fire from spreading to neighboring houses or other flammables.

    The other element you fail to address in your analogy is what actually caused the fire in the first place. If you’re using the house as your representation of the economy, then you seem to be using the fire to represent the problem, and the garden hose as the suggested solution from the Bush/Obama administrations.

    Let me just say this, fires eventually burn themselves out if you take away the fuel, as do economic recessions. The problem is not the fire, but rather whatever caused the fire IN THE FIRST PLACE. Without providing that cause, there is no need for any hoses or any water to put these fires out. Sometimes that cause is a mistake, but the types of recessions being seen across the globe can hardly be seen as a mistake, at this point.

    You seem to suggest that dumping the entire sum of the oceans’ waters on a house fire is the solution to all of our problems. (or some gargantuan sum of money that no one actually possesses) So what would the collateral damage to everyone around that fire be, if we used this type of solution?

    I’m just really sorry that you see trillions of dollars in record spending as being equivalent to using a garden hose on a house fire.

  • http://margaritavillage.wordpress.com margaritavillage

    Wow! I used to think that Time had a modicum of journalistic integrity…Am I wrong or has it always been such a piece of crap?

  • http://bag1153.wordpress.com JeffcoMo411

    The idea that a civil war will start with a bunch of disorganized bands of militia men is laughably naive. We are watching how a civil war starts in France right now. Of course that does not mean that France is on an inescapable path to civil war, but the ground work for an economic upheaval is definitely in place. Could it lead to civil war? Maybe, but it depends on the resilience and resourcefulness of the society in question. The proper role of government is the only variable in the US economy, we have always had the resourefulness. Unfortunately, we have allowed too many of our fellow citizens to be takers of tax dollars and too few may be left to foot the bill. In any event whatever, degree of economic turmoil is wrought by the feds continued special interest policy maker , the poor and the old will bear the brunt of the calamity.

  • dochosvet

    I read bankers going to jail first but this fits right in. The banking system is just not interested in what is happening at the bottom. Luckily I don’t think the militia types have the stick to it ness to follow banking philosophy or news. Besides they probably rent. And as you said business already have gobs of money, they just aren’t spending because there is no business and they to can’t trust what the financial industry is going to mess up next!

  • http://chaosandconspiracy.wordpress.com seadragonconquerer

    I belong to a militia unit. There will, for the time being, be no Rising whatever the Fed does or doesn’t do. After the Universal Ponzi collapses – say, mid-2012 – however, the current regime will attempt to stay in power via Martial Law, + gun and PM grab. Then will be the Rising, and Civil War.

  • http://reality2012.wordpress.com reality2012

    Ben Bernanke is like the Wizard of Oz for the private Federal Reserve. As long as the majority of the people in the U.S. are “Comfy” in the lollypop guild then he will be able to do as he pleases. The ‘promise to pay’ Dollar is like a stock certificate Ben has to keep the purchasing power at acceptible levels or he is finished. Ben knows this so he may get desperate and blow out the dollar to $0.00.
    If this happens then China become the defacto world reserve currency. This will definitely be the “Civil War” this article is referring to imagine all entitlements vanishing
    (SocialSecurity/Medicare/Medicaid/Pensions/PGBC/Treasuries/401K’s/IRA’s/HomeEquity/Money Markets/Stocks and ALL world U.S. dollar wealth evaporating. The United States has an estimated 400 million constitutionally protected guns some held by active and veteran soldiers that may very well be used to reset the course of future America if not the world.
    One thing you can be sure there will be no dividing line of North & South in this civil war, it will be between all citizens including the wealthy vs. keynesian fiat money creation.

  • peteca1

    I must say that the author, Stephen Gandell, displays a significant lack of awareness of how critical these monetary policies really are.

    Let’s suppose we went back in time in America … by say 10 years. At that time the vast number of US citizens would have cried out in total disbelief if you had suggested that the USA would be drowning in debt in just one more decade. And further, the Federal Reserve at that time would have adamantly denied that they would EVER consider outright purchases of Treasury securities (or mortgage securities!). Such a step – for a prestigious central bank – would have been seen as an outright admission of gross failure of monetary policies.

    And yet here we are today.
    The Fed is now preparing for a second – and possibly greater – round of monetization of America’s huge financial debts. Quite clearly the USA is in the throes of a slow-motion financial collapse – that is where we stand.

    I doubt that “monetary policies” alone will cause a revolution. But history teaches us that when a large number of citizens are unable to get access to basic necessities, such as food, clean water, simple medical care, and shelter – then revolutions do happen. It seems quite likely that we will see some sort of anarchy in America, although I can’t predict what form. Perhaps power will shift strongly from the central gov’t back to the individual states. Perhaps people will subvert the tax system and buy things on the black market. Perhaps there will be disorder on the streets. Who knows – maybe all of these things.

    A few things seems clear:

    1. Our political system is hopelessly caught in a quagmire. Unless voters take strong steps to overturn the gridlock in Washington DC, a crisis is inevitable.

    2. It would be smart for all Americans to increase the size of their pantries, and have some emergency provisions put away. It’s unlikely that anything serious will go wrong in a matter of weeks or months – but in the long term the possibility of a breakdown in the financial system is growing.

    3. America needs to address critical problems – such as energy, water, transportation and food – immediately. These issues have been sidelined for decades … it is almost too late to head off disastrous repercussions at this stage. Immediate action is needed.

    Best wishes to you all.

    PeteCA
    (Formerly a reader/contributor
    on Roubini economics blog)

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