Another poor Jobs report: Has Stimulus Failed?


Clyde Silva walks out of a job fair in Los Angeles (Lucy Nicholson / Reuters)

Ever since the haze of summer lifted, there have been more and more signs that the economy was improving. In early September, the number of people looking for work rose, showing optimism about the economy from job seekers. Corporate mergers are on the rise, too, showing optimism among business executives. Then in September the stock market had its best September in 71 years, with shares rising nearly 8%. Just this week retailers announced that sales in September were better than expected, rising nearly 3% from a year ago. Some high-end retailers, like Nordstrom saw sales climb as high as 7.7%. So you would expect today’s employment report to be more good news, right?

And you would be: Wrong. September, it appears, was another bad month in terms of jobs for the economy. On Friday the government announced that the economy lost another 95,000 jobs last month. It was the fourth straight month that the economy lost jobs. The biggest disappointment was the government sector, which sent 76,000 to the unemployment line, on top of the 77,000 expected job loss from the census. Private sector employment rose 64,000, but that was less than the 75,000 jump economist expected, and pretty pathetic considering there are more than 14 million people out of work.

I had an old editor who used to say economic data is always bumpy at the turn. So when a piece of conflicting data would come out, like the jobs report today, he would say ignore it. The only thing that matters is interest rates. If the Fed keeps them low then the economy will always recover. But just how long can we ignore the poor jobs numbers. Is it fair to say that the double whammy of low-interest rates and nearly $800 million in stimulus spending was a bust? Increasingly, it looks like we need to come up with a new way to revive the economy. Here’s why:

First of all, fifteen months after the recession ended, Felix Salmon maybe a little to kind to say that time is running out for job growth, and he’s not holding back.

The U.S. does not have the luxury of waiting indefinitely for job growth to resume. Already we’re at the absolute limit: any longer, and most of the unemployed will be long-term unemployed and, to a first approximation, unemployable. This country simply can’t afford an unemployable underclass of the long-term unemployed — not morally, not economically, and not fiscally, either.

Felix’s point is a good one. The longer we go without job growth, the more long-term damage this economic downturn will have on future growth. And without a rebound in growth we are never going to get the millions of people who are out of work back into the labor force. The weak recovery may turn into a weak economy period.

Second, the problem is we may have already entered a jobless recovery. Since the recession ended in July 2009, the economy has lost nearly 440,000 jobs. How does that stack up compared to other post-recession periods? Not great. We are actually ahead of the game compared to the last recession, which was a particularly jobless one. Fifteen months after the dotcom bust recession ended in October 2001, the economy has lost nearly 1 million additional jobs. That’s double as bad as today. But here’s the thing, the most recent recession was a severe one, much worst than the one at the beginning of the 2000s. So you would expect a recovery to be much stronger. For example, fifteen months after the severe early 1980s recession ended, the economy had already added over 4 million jobs. Not only are we not even in the ballpark of that recovery, we’re not even playing the same sport. Calculated Risk has a good chart that shows this recession versus others, and, as you can see, we are bumping along the bottom.

So it seems that we no longer have the option of waiting around for the recovery to take hold. We need to do something to boost the economy, but what? Today’s weak unemployment report makes it more likely that the Federal Reserve will choose to go ahead with its proposed purchases of long-term bonds. That should lower interest rates. But with mortgages rates already at all-time lows, and corporations borrowing at rates of 1%, I’m not sure where this gets us. We could cut taxes, but so far tax cuts, which were a large part of Obama’s stimulus package, haven’t done much either. Whatever extra money people get seems to be going toward paying down debt, and that isn’t a boost to the economy.

So here’s what I think the best two options are. First, a second much larger batch of fiscal stimulus–one that is not a mixture of tax cuts and gradual spending, but one that tries to get all of the money into the economy as quickly as possible. With government jobs becoming the employment problem, more stimulus could stall those layoffs quickly by giving money to states to plug their budgets. What about the debt? With interest rates so low, it probably makes sense for the government to borrow more.

The second option, which is more radical, would be to increase interest rates. The reason I like this option is it puts more money into the hands of savers. It will immediately boost the incomes of people who already have money in the bank. These people don’t have to pay down debts. And so they are more likely to spend. It could slow borrowing, but borrowing is not our problem right now. Spending is. And until we figure out how to get companies and consumers to open their wallets the recovery will continue to drag on.

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  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    “The only thing that matters is interest rates. If the Fed keeps them low then the economy will always recover.”

    There is no relationship between low interest rates and economic growth. (See: Interest Rates) In fact, there is a hint that high rates are stimulative, because they force the federal government to pay more, pumping more money into the economy.

    ”We could cut taxes, but so far tax cuts, which were a large part of Obama’s stimulus package, haven’t done much either. Whatever extra money people get seems to be going toward paying down debt, and that isn’t a boost to the economy.”

    True, paying down debt isn’t stimulative, but it does pay down debt, meaning there is less debt remaining to pay down. So additional stimulus would help. The claim that stimulus doesn’t help reminds me of the man whose house was burning. His neighbor showed up with a garden hose and actually was able to reduce the flames, but only a little. The neighbor wanted to call the fire department, who would bring out the big hoses, but the man told him to stop, because “Obviously, water doesn’t put out fires.”

    ”The second option, which is more radical, would be to increase interest rates.”

    This would help, but what would really help is to send every man, woman and child in America $10,000 each, about $3 trillion, total. To date, the stimuli have been too little, too late. The cost to America has been many trillions of dollars, far more than a real stimulus would be.

    And no, it would cost taxpayers nothing. In a monetarily sovereign nation (See: Monetarily Sovereign), federal taxes don’t pay for federal spending.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    I agree something must be done soon.
    Your quote ”
    “The U.S. does not have the luxury of waiting indefinitely for job growth to resume. Already we’re at the absolute limit: any longer, and most of the unemployed will be long-term unemployed and, to a first approximation, unemployable. This country simply can’t afford an unemployable underclass of the long-term unemployed — not morally, not economically, and not fiscally, either.”

    is a excellant aproximation of where we are. And I’m thinking again that the minimum stimulas should be a program like Roosevelts CCC and WPA programs to get the croniclly unemployed out doing something productive. When mony was giving to the states and they used it to make payroll for their current employee’s that was good but it doesen’t show up as something being done its invisable.
    We could use programs we see nightly on the news where we see some progress being made. For those people to see that there is something out there to do.

    unrelated question?
    What is the real purpose when Government lends out to major instituions monies at very low rates and then those institutions lend it back to Government at a higher rate?
    Is this some sort of backdoor way to fund Government?
    Or maybe I misunderstood the whole process, it just doesen’t add up to me.

  • talldave2

    The economimc illiteracy here is mind-boggling. I’ll ignore the foolishness of advocating even more gov’t spending when it’s already 45% of GDP, and focus on the factual error:

    The second option, which is more radical, would be to increase interest rates. The reason I like this option is it puts more money into the hands of savers. It will immediately boost the incomes of people who already have money in the bank

    No, people who have “money in the bank” have 99% of it in bonds and CDs at fixed rates. Raising interest rates doesn’t increase the rates of the bonds they already own; it does almost the opposite by decreasing their value. How the hell can someone writing for TIME not know that??? This isn’t exactly complex derivatives or credit default swaps, it’s Investing 101.

    This TIME section should be renamed “The Incurious Socialist.” How does anything this ill-informed make it into print?

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    stephenpoo,

    Your excellent question about federal lending to banks, who lend it right back, illustrates the illogic of current federal financing.

    The federal government, being monetarily sovereign, does not need to borrow. It creates money by deficit spending. For the same reason, there is no need to “fund Government” (and for that matter, no need for federal taxes).

    All these processes are relics of the gold standard days, when the federal government was not monetarily sovereign.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    talldave2

    1. Deficit/GDP has no historical relationship to economic growth.

    2. Raising interest rates affects future bonds and CDs. Current CD values are not affected by interest rate changes, nor are the values of bonds held to maturity. If bonds are sold before maturity, the realized funds can be used to buy higher paying bonds.

    Historically, there seems to be a slight relationship between higher interest rates and economic growth, possibly because the government is forced to pay more interest into the economy. See: Interest

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  • Stephen Gandel

    Thanks, Roger. Talldave2, most income investors have a significant portion of their assets in short-dated securites. That has been especially true for the past few years, as the yield curve has been relatively flat, and the there has been a growing fear that rising inflation would send long rates soaring and bond prices falling. So, yes, current CDs and bonds would not rise in value. But as those bonds and CDs expire, income investors would be able to roll those investment into high yielding securities. I am pretty sure that “how the hell” that would work. And if I am wrong, then I think you’ll also have a beef with the numerous articles that say low interest rates are hurting savers. You can’t have it both ways.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I’d like to see some large projects aimed at bullet train development, both of freight lines & passenger. I know there’s a pretty weak train policy out there right now that is building in Florida, revamping in Chicago, etc, but how about some serious dedication?

    That said, I’d be interested in hearing how companies could do their part to make everything better. I keep hearing they are sitting on record amounts of cash and can’t help thinking that if they funneled that into R&D departments or even helped other startups in fields they were interested in, it might be better for all of us.

    We keep paying the same people for goods and services, but if they don’t spend that money to higher more people there won’t be any recovery.

    Was the stimulus a failure? It did what it was meant to do, or at least finally designed to do, halt the drastic collapse of American industries (banking & auto alike), but as we’re all aware there isn’t anything in it, thanks to oppositionalists in congress, to actually stimulate permanent job growth.

    I’m in favor of construction projects that need to be done, but so much more could have been done. Like say, competitive programs similar to the education programs for other fields.

  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    I’m sorry, but this just needs to be pointed out.

    Statement #1, towards the beginning of the post:

    “The only thing that matters is interest rates. If the Fed keeps them low then the economy will always recover.”

    And towards the end, statement #2:

    “The second option, which is more radical, would be to increase interest rates. The reason I like this option is it puts more money into the hands of savers.”

    I also like how you automatically assume savers will be magically transformed into spenders if they just get more money.

  • atworkforu

    Raising rates in a recession…. how is it you get paid to write on the subject of economics?

    You would kill auto and home sales. Full stop. All of the people who took out dumbass interest only loans would have that much harder of a time refi-ing and many would default.

    Any small business trying to start or expand would pay that much more for capital.

    How does the government raise interest rates? By paying more for t-bills and overnight bank deposits. So the deficit would go up, substantially. There would be a mad rush for absolutely safe (and now well paying) government assets and financing for the private sector would dry up.

    And in order to take advantage of these rates, people need to keep their $$ with the government. It’s only slightly more economically useful then the mattress. So grannie’s 100k returns her an extra 3k per year… there’s no way that’s worth wrecking the whole rest of the economy.

    There’s a reason you cut rates in a recession. Go back to econ 101 and figure it out. Please don’t post anymore until you get some basic education.

  • Stephen Gandel

    That first statement was a paraphrase of what an editor I used to work for used to say. Was trying to used that as a background. So I don’t think there is a contradiction there. I am trying to make the case the maybe we need to try new approaches, which would be to raise interest rates. But yes you are right, higher interest rates may not make people who are predisposed to save spend money. But many of those people are older folks who live on interest income. They are not savers by nature but by the fact or where they are in their life, or how their portfolio is set up. For those people more interest income might lead to more spending, but you are right to question just how much affect that will have on the economy. Could be small.

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  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Sometimes facts trump intuition, and the facts are: High interest rates have not had an adverse effect on economic growth. See: http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/debt-%E2%80%9Cunsustainable%E2%80%9D-no-longer/

    For every borrower there is a lender. While high rates hurt borrowers, they help lenders. If you go to the indicated link (above), you’ll see that high rates actually have had a small positive effect on economic growth, possibly because the government is forced to pay more interest into the economy, which is stimulative.

    We have had many years of much higher rates, when private sector financing had not “dried up.”

    As for the deficit going up, that’s beneficial. It’s the method by which the federal government adds money to the economy. Today’s economy is starved for money.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • azmaveth

    What can be done to help the increasing number of Americans who can’t seem to do anything worthy of a living wage? We do know that education improves productivity-at least one study shows high school grads are 1.5 times more productive that 9th-grade dropouts, and college grads 3 times more productive. Perhaps the only way to improve those long-term prospects is a long-term investment in education.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    azmaveth,

    Read: “Salary for attending school” at: http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/salary-for-attending-school/

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • steadystare

    How can consumers lead the recovery when unemployment is near 10%, 1/3 of homes for sale are in foreclosure, and trillions in household wealth has evaporated?

    Companies, on the other hand, are sitting on near record amounts of cash that they won’t spend. http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/14508819/1/c_14509253?f=related

    Nonfinancial corporations took advantage of the Wall Street meltdown to shed millions of people they no longer need because they have learned they can automate and offshore so many jobs.

    It seems like Catch 22 for companies to wait for spending from the consumers they have laid off.

    Expect total gridlock in Washington after the November election, regardless of which party has the majority. More stimulus may make sense, but won’t happen.

    Corporate leaders could invest their cash in the products and markets of the future, with a bias toward products and services America could sell overseas to improve our balance of payments. Instead, they seem to be waiting to see if their own personal taxes go up at the end of the year. That’s ”leadership.”

    (To the person above who worried about the deficit as a percent of GDP, at 10.6% in 2010, it is about 1/3 of the peak level in WWII. Federal debt as a percentage of GDP was about twice what it is today. According to the CBO, the 2010 deficit is less than the 2009 deficit. We can get out of this downturn too, but have to start getting serious about the facts.)

  • ponfi

    “And no, it would cost taxpayers nothing. In a monetarily sovereign nation (See: Monetarily Sovereign), federal taxes don’t pay for federal spending.”

    Quite the contrary, driven too far it will cost the taxpayers everything.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

  • ihmademorat

    OOPS! You forgot ONE option—–

    How about we vote out these miserable socialist Democrats which have hijacked our economy, and spent over a trillion dollars on pet projects that contributed little to an already terrible employment enviornment.

    We have government officials that smile, and tell us that they are proud to report that AGAIN we have another month of rising private sector employment.
    This is the same logic that comes under the “jobs saved” label. You know the one that idiots buy into to.

    It’s time to end this White House affirmative action program, send the Bush haters to bed, and get on with serious government.
    The great marxist/socialist experiment known as Kal-eee-for-neea has gone bankrupt. Time to vote the Democrats (and yes masquerading Republicans too)
    out of office.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Debt/GDP is a meaningless ratio, as the denominator is a one-year measure and the numerator is a life-of-nation measure. See: http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/federal-debtgdp-a-useless-ratio/
    .
    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Both parties are to blame, because both subscribe to the same false premise: Federal debt is too high.
    .
    As a result of this false premise, the stimulus efforts haven been too little, too late — which I predicted back on April 8, 2008 (See: http://www.rodgermitchell.com/medialetters.html )
    .
    Your house is burning. You throw one bucket of water on it. The fire keeps burning. So, you decide water doesn’t put out fires.
    .
    That is what the “stimulus doesn’t work” comments mean.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://krinwis.wordpress.com krinwis

    It isn’t the stimulus failed, the attempt to block it by the GOP succeeded.

    There was plenty of evidence the efforts of the Obama administration to combat this recession were paying off. They did an excellent job of running the TARP program which resulted in the banks returning much of the money with interest; GM and Chrysler are growing again; government analysis found minimal corruption in running the stimulus program and oh yes, the stimulus did in fact reverse the deluge of job loss during the Bush administration.

    So the GOP in Congress did their worse to prevent the stimulus program from going any further at least three times — blocking the subsidizing of corporate job exporting, preventing the Obama small business bills and lately, snuffing TANF funding which erased 250,000 jobs.

    They have done all they could do to get people back to work. What makes anyone think they deserve leadership of Congress? They not only have done nothing to earn it, but they have viciously used the unemployed as weapons.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    One thing to keep in mind: Just as transferring money from the federal government to the private sector is stimulative, transferring money back to the government (taxes, loan repayments) is anti-stimulative.

    So when the TARP recipients pay the government back, and when GM et al, pay back their federal loans, that is equivalent to paying taxes, which hurts the economy.

    The federal government never should lend money to the private sector; it should give money to the private sector.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • tanboontee

    One thing is sure. The stimulus has been seen as successful for some, but a failure by many.

    Somehow, the rich benefit from it, the middle-class seem to retain the status quo albeit less affected, the poor definitely get poorer.

    So, has the stimulus failed? With the top advisors leaving one by one, what could the pathetic White House do next? (btt1943)

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Do next? Eliminate FICA. See: FICA. That would end the recession.
    .
    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    Illogical yes, it would be interesting to see a detailed artical with the who, what, when ,why of this process.
    I feel there is more here than meets the eye.
    Why does it go on, how much money is involved and who are the benifators and why?

  • dochosvet

    “where are the jobs” Yesterday I was a lunch get together and when some of the guys got together a table after they were done grousing about their health(later retirement anyone) the subject of jobs came up and they knew several people in different unions. The number of people on the union boards waiting for a job was astronomical. It makes you wonder who really is working besides the people in the restaurant. We should all be bankers I guess or get government jobs. So it isn’t that I have thought to how to fix things but to remind the big dogs again of the frustration of the little people at the middle.

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