What if Tax Rates Were Set by Lottery?

One of the big reasons people argue against raising taxes for the richest Americans is that higher taxes make people less inclined to work. The result is that raising taxes at some point doesn’t raise any more tax income for the government. This is in effect the famous Laffer Curve.

I’m not sure I believe that. I think people, particularly rich ones, work for a lot of reasons, and absolute wealth is only one of them. Nonetheless, a study that I found on the National Bureau of Economic Research website, argues just the opposite. A working paper from 2000 co-authored by Berkeley tax expert Emmanuel Saez and Jonathan Gruber, found that for marginally rich people (those making more than $100,000) tax rates do seem to matter. They tended to either work less or hide more of their income when tax rates rose. People making less than $100,00 did not seem to change their behavior much. That suggests that the richer you are the more you care about tax rates, though I wonder if we would see the same change in behavior for people making more or less than $500,000.

But what if it’s not the tax rates that matter when it comes to how much you will work, but rather the knowledge of tax rates. That brings me to an interesting suggestion that a reader jimtobias had in reaction to a recent post I wrote about what would happened if the top tax rate was raised to 99.99%. How about we have a tax rate lottery?

Here’s another idea. Let’s say that all income below $500K was subject to taxation as it currently is, and that income above that level was subject to a tax rate lottery, held after the income is declared. Some of it gets taxed at, say, 75%, and some is not taxed at all. The goal is to increase revenue from this segment by, say, 10%. Quite a few $B. Maybe the “losers” are exempted from next year’s lottery; they’ll be taxed at the current rate.

Both categories of rich folks get a sociocultural benefit. The “winners” get to splurge and tell the tale of escaping from the clutches of the taxman; the “losers” get to carp about carrying their weight of the poor and the undeserving public sector. They already tell stories like this, but now they can do it with more public confirmation. There’s drama, sport, opportunities for character development, and of course, an intensification of media fascination with the doings of the rich.

I wonder if anyone has studied it. My quick search on NBER on “tax rate lottery,” didn’t turn up any papers. With a few caveats, I think this is an interesting idea. Here’s why:

A few months ago I proposed having a floating tax rate that would rise or fall based on the budget needs of each year. The post was based on the fact that property tax revenues had not fallen as property tax rates had generally been going up.

Again, people will say that local property taxes are not a good study of tax policy. City governments game assessments and set tax rates to a level that they know will generate the right amount of income to match spending, or at least come close. OK. But maybe that’s what we should do on a national level. Instead of keeping our income tax rates the same level every year, and trying to change spending around to reflect that. Maybe income tax rates should float based on the government’s spending needs.

The idea of a tax rate lottery may make even more sense than my proposal, because that would allow the government to put money away for future years, like say recessions when incomes fall. My only problem with the idea is that at a time when we have runaway deficits and political gridlock because of the national debt, I think would have to make sure that a scheme like this would definitely boost tax revenue. And I think that could be a tricky thing. Not only do you have to make sure that the rates that people pull out of the magical tax rate lottery hat average to something higher than we have today, you would have to make sure that at least some of the people pulling the top tax rate were evenly distributed along the income spectrum. For the scheme to work, there has to be a realistic possibility for an even top, top earner could end up in a 15% tax bracket. But the problem is if just one person making say $500 million or more a year pulls a 15% tax bracket, that could lead to lower overall tax revenue, even if nearly everyone else ends up in paying a 75% income tax.

The way to get around this, though, could be to hold multiple tax lotteries in each income bracket. So that someone ends up with a low rate and a high rate in say the $375,000-to-$500,000 group as well as the $5 million-to-$10 million range.

Another objection to the idea of tax lotteries would be a question of whether it is fair. How can even a rich person plan their life if they don’t know whether they will be taking home 85% or 25% of their bucks above $500,000. How will they know if year to year they can afford the mortgage payments on their $20 million pad in the Manhattan and their $40 million house in the Hamptons.

The answer to this objection is that top earners already often have to plan around large variable incomes. On Wall Street, top bankers routinely get 80% of their pay in what is supposed to be a variable year-end bonus. The same is true to an extent for top salesmen and other rainmakers at other firms. Small business owners have long had to do wealth planning and estate planning around the fact that they don’t know how much income they will generate each year. A variable top tax rate would add a little bit more variability, but top earnings are living with that already.

There is indeed a lot of interest in how we should tax the rich. I have often been surprised at how many people are against raising taxes on the super rich, despite the fact that very few of us ever reach that level of wealth. But the focus on what the rich should be taxed is an important question. Afterall, with fewer and fewer people making the mega bucks these days, just where is tax revenue going to come from?

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  • deconstructiva

    There may be no truly fair tax system, but my least evil choice would be a Flat Tax™. Above a floor income limit set above poverty line, tax all gross income however obtained at same rate (15%?) with no exemptions. Make it fit on a postcard too. Some from both the Right and Left have favored this before, from Steve Forbes to Jerry Brown. It’s not an ideal solution, but at least it doesn’t matter if one makes $50k or $50m everyone sends a check for 15% each year. No special treatment. I’d also remove FICA $106k top wage limit so all income is taxed at same rate, no more SS free ride for the rich.
    .
    BTW, Stephen, with Barbara leaving (sigh), please keep all of your blog comrades engaged with us whiny commenters regularly like she has done. Barbara has done a great job both with her work and keeping us involved so please keep this legacy going. Thanks.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Here’s another idea. Let’s say that all income below $500K is not taxed at all, and that income above that level was subject to a tax rate lottery, held after the income is declared. Some of it gets taxed at, say, 5%, and some is not taxed at all.

    Since the U.S. federal government has no need for, and never uses, tax money, why do we continually look for ways to increase taxes? How about looking for ways to reduce them.

    Now that would stimulate the economy.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Of course, there is no FAIR TAX .

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • dochosvet

    A fair tax? A fair wage? We all seem to think we should be paid a fair wage for what ever we do and it is a given that most wages in this country are probably not “fair” for the physical work, danger, or other criteria. So what is the problem with taxes. I actually think with the exception of war my tax’s are probably fair. I appreciate police, highways, parks, trails, FDA and other things that control corporations from polluting, damaging, and in other ways doing harm to my world. I even like a certain amount of military but I think we get to carried away with generating corporate income by some how always being at war instead of talking(negotiating.) So fair tax’s? probably depends on whose ox is being gored and mostly except for corporate waste and immoral citizens who rip us off (like medicare) I like government. So if you are rich you probably should pay for the pleasure and good luck(and it was luck) and if you are poor you should probably be given a break to not discourage you from trying harder.

  • swinnend

    The most important role for a government in an economy is to provide some predictability. The subway will work tomorrow, if I kill someone I will probably be arrested, and if a make $200.000, I will pay $40.000 tax.

    Probably not a good idea.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    dochosvet,
    .
    Good thoughts, except for one small detail: While state taxes pay for state spending, and city taxes pay for city spending, federal taxes do not pay for federal spending.
    .
    Unlike the states, counties and cities, the U.S. federal government is monetarily sovereign, meaning it creates money ad hoc, when it spends money. Even if federal taxes were $0, this would not affect by even one penny the federal government’s ability to spend.
    .
    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • gem48

    RE: having a floating tax rate that would rise or fall based on the budget needs of each year

    Are you kidding. Give a politician access to a dollar and he/she will find a way to spend it and more. Do you trust your government to establish an honest budget and not one that will suit their political needs to get re-elected? How do you spell PORK !

    Tax by Lottery, no way. Too dangerous.

  • larryawood

    I wish people would read any of the books about the “Fair Tax”. They hear the mention of a 23% tax and immediately are against it and never read what it is all about. The “Fair Tax” bill has been introduced into Congress every year since 1999. The Democrats are against it because it takes away their power to manipulate the tax code. The co-sponsers are Republicans and are smart enough to want to make some logical sense out of how taxes are collected. Under the “Fair Tax” everyone gets to keep their entire income except for state and city taxes. No one pays any tax unless they purchase new retail items and need services like doctors and lawyers and others. The “Fair Tax” eliminates all income, FICA, Medicare and corporate taxes. Everything is paid for by a simple flat tax on consumables. The IRS is eliminated because it is no longer needed. The best part is that all families receive a monthly prebate check to cover the cost of staples and basic living expenses. The estimated cost of the prebate program is about $50 Billion and would be a one time event. The magic of cash flow would keep that $50 Billion circulating every month without a substantial change in initial funding. What is $50 Billion nowadays with the hugh multi-billion dollar bailouts that have already occurred. The United States would become the largest tax haven on the planet. Think of what $12 Trillion or more of offshore money would do for kick starting the economy. Please read about what the “Fair Tax” really is about before you bash it to death. Shame on you as a financial reporter if you have not at least read one of the books.

  • narcogun

    The tax lottery concept is interesting, but a little scary. The flat tax advocated by deconstructiva is the better way to go, but you are making the same mistake Steve Forbes made years ago. While the attraction of the flat tax is its simplicity, it must be progressive. There’s no way that a waitress should be taxed at the same 15% rate as a real estate attorney. There’s no way that either should be taxed at the same rate as Donald Trump. The 1040 can still be printed on the back of a postcard, but Mr. Trump will just have to enter a higher multiplier than the lady waiting tables at Denny’s.

  • tlesinski

    The “Fair Tax” is a scam. Like all sales/value-added taxes, it is degressive, meaning that the wealthiest people, who save most of their income, never pay taxes on those savings. Taxation of that money is not just deferred, it is deferred indefinitely.

    There is no other fair tax than a progressive income tax, with minimal (or no) deductions (flat “negative” IT works too… though you need a much higher rate than 15% to balance the budget).

    And, before Roger kicks in: the fed. govt. can’t just print money to pay for spending. It leads to loss of value of the currency i.e. inflation. Germany tried that in the 30′s. That said, in a country with an outstanding amount of both public and private debt, it could be worth trying once. Could be fun to watch the debates.

  • narcogun

    Also, regarding eliminating the upward threshold of Social Security deductions, a pause to reflect. It is very appealing to eliminate the upper limits on FICA witholding. But it would be pointess to do so if you then give encreased payments back to the wealthy wage earner again after retirement. Not to pick on Mr. Trump again, but if he is to receive six or seven figure Social Security checks every month, I doubt if that’s going to help the situation much. It doesn’t bother my conscience any to have unlimited FICA withholding while maintaining the ceiling on the monthy entitlements to the wealthy taxpayer. But I’m guessing the U.S. Constitution may feel otherwise.

  • dwilkinsnh

    I stopped reading after this line: “A working paper from 2000 co-authored by Berkeley tax expert Emmanuel Saez and Jonathan Gruber, found that for marginally rich people (those making more than $100,000) tax rates do seem to matter.” So if you make more than $100,000, you are marginally rich? Are you kidding me? If you support a family of four and you live anywhere near the coasts, you are solidly middle class if you make anything under $150,000. Tax experts like this are why we’re at taxed to death.

  • dwilkinsnh

    Ok, so I just read the original source and there is no mention of the “marginally rich.” Apparently, this is an inline editorial comment by the author who co-opts the authority of the source to push an otherwise unsubstantiated opinion. Not sure why I expected better from this article, but I did.

  • http://kyoken74.wordpress.com kyoken74

    Lottery to determine the tax rate as means to increase tax rate will not have the “sociocultural benefit” jimtobias mentioned in his original comment quoted in this article. Furthermore, such tax policy will introduce more inefficiency in the market.

    Insurance companies will step in and start selling “tax lottery insurance” to eliminate the uncertainty the government intended to create in the minds of the tax payers. Overall, from the tax payers’ perspective, it is a simple tax increase, which is paid in the form of premium payments to the insurance companies. The net “sociocultural benefit” therefore is negligible, if not non-existent.

    Since the underlying tax rate is being increased, and there is insurance companies’ operational cost plus profit margin added to the premium, this will not only come with all the baggage of simple tax rate hike which Stephen Gandel mentioned, but it will be amplified relative to the benefit of similar tax hike without lottery system.

    The inefficiency I mentioned earlier comes in that operational cost component; the resources that could have been put to more productive use are used to reduce this purely man-made risk.

    The real beneficiary of this lottery tax policy is those who work in the financial industry and the share holders.

  • http://szyskival.wordpress.com szyskival

    Americans seem oblivious to then lessons of history, whether it be getting involved in far away wars or trying to set tax rates. Here is some historic tax rates (from treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports).
    From 1950 to 1963 the highest tax rate, on earnings over $250k was 91% (92% ’52 & ’53), with the national debt in all those years rising from $257B to $305B, only about 20% in 13 yrs. These are also the years the federal government was able to build the interstate highway system, a time average American families prospered and the highest earners (think Elvis) were able to amass great wealth despite paying a 90% tax rate.
    In 1964 the top rate was lowered to 77%, then 70% in 1965, where is stayed until 1980. In that 15 year period the national debt nearly tripled to $907B. Is not the connection clear?
    In 1981 it was cut to 50%, then 38% etc, and in general the lower the top rate fell, then faster the dept grew, and the less services the federal government (such as building infrastructure) was able to provide. The rich got richer while everyone else grew relatively poorer as the wealth gap grew and grew, with a smaller and smaller percentage of Americans controlling a larger and larger share of the total wealth.
    Now please, in view of history, give me one valid reason for not taxing the highest earners at a much higher rate.

  • gum0nshoe

    Sharing is for children on the playground, not their parents. </sarcasm>

  • larryawood

    I can bet that you have not read any of the “Fair Tax” books or HR 25. If you did, you would know that the “Fair Tax” is not a value added tax.

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