Greek Debt Crisis Finally Over? Maybe Not.

The world’s grown accustomed to bouncing from crisis to crisis, like passengers in a car where the transmission keeps slipping and the vehicle keeps jerking.  One day it’s Greece, then Portugal, then US. debt, then the lack of jobs. You know the drill.  The weird thing about this jerky ride is that what we face at each lurch is not a new crisis but a return of the same crisis—that being the global debt crisis—with a new headline. Something gets bad, the media jumps on it, politicians call press conferences to announce new initiatives, then it fades from the front page only to re-emerge weeks or months later in a slightly different form.  Greece is one part of the crisis and while it has faded from the headlines, its debt problem hasn’t faded. Carl Weinberg at High Frequency Economics spends a lot of time probing the debt crisis, which even if not in the headlines still weighs heavily on the global investor psyche. His latest report on Greece is a sharp reminder of why the worry persists.   Greece, as we all remember, hit the wall on debt and was leaning toward sovereign default when the world came to its rescue. The world in this case is the IMF and the EU central bank which offered Greece emergency loans in return for meaningful reforms.  Greece implemented some reforms and the loans started flowing. The problem, as Weinberg sees it, is not that Greece is getting aid but that the aid is in the form of debt, the very stuff that got country in trouble and the very stuff that is causing investors around the world to be so risk averse.

The numbers are jarring. As Weinberg points out, when Greece entered its financial crisis it’s debt was 113% of GDP. Now having received the first infusions of IMF aid its debt is headed to 130% of GDP, and by the time Greece finishes with its financial makeover in 2013, thanks to all this aid, its debt will be 149% of GDP. Even that, HFE notes, is an optimistic scenario. Citing analysis by the IMF staff, HFE notes that higher interest rates, slower economic growth or higher inflation could raise that ratio to nearly 180% of GDP. Here is HFE’s reasonable question about where this will all lead:

At the start of 2014, Greece is expected to return to the private capital markets to raise new money on its own account. If Greece could not borrow from the global capital markets on affordable terms this year, when its debt ratio was only 115% and its debt was only 270 billion euros, why on earth would the world want to lend it money in 2014 with a debt ratio of somewhere between 149% and 180%?

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  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    “One day it’s Greece, then Portugal, then US. debt . . .”

    There is in this sentence an implied and misleading equivalence among Greece, Portugal and the U.S. The U.S. is monetarily sovereign. Greece and Portugal are not.

    A monetarily sovereign nation never can be forced into bankruptcy, simply because it has the unlimited ability to service its debts. Greece and Portugal do not have this ability.

    Mr. Curran is correct however. Lending Greece money will solve nothing. (See: Salvation for Europe?).

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • jose4527

    This post ignores the serious structural changes undertaken to combat the spread of the crisis on a European level. Part of the reason the crisis initially spread so quickly was the lack of a concerted response mechanism. But dealing with the Greek crisis put in place safeguards and safety valves in the Eurozone- which will help prevent a further flare up while European countries undertake their own much needed reforms. A better definined Eurozone support mechanism or monetary fund ensures that countries like Greece, Spain, and Portugal will be able to make these changes. It is a very different Europe than at the onset of the crisis and these renewed fears seldom take that into account..

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    So long as these nations are not monetarily sovereign, they repeatedly will require inputs of money, either from the EU or from a positive balance of trade.

    But if all EU nations somehow were to have a positive balance of trade, other nations would have to oblige them with a negative balance of trade.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • quantumplanner

    Roger, I enjoy your post! But the comment above that,
    “A monetarily sovereign nation never can be forced into bankruptcy, simply because it has the unlimited ability to service its debts,” must raise a question a period of inflation. Nations can service their debt by printing money. If you print a lot of money and they are chasing the same goods then by definition is price inflation.

    It is unclear to me how the US and the European Union aren’t headed for some period of inflation. The only other choice would be budget cutting (which is certainly in the air) but the pull back of fiscal siimulus in a weak economy will lead to a recession/depression. This is the core of the argument Paul Krugman is having with the Republicans who want to cut spending but protect the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    quantumplanner

    Sadly, too many economists “know” things in their gut (i.e. printing money causes inflation), without bothering to look at the data. “Gut knowledge” has caused havoc in our economy, and primarily is responsible for the slowness of the recovery.

    Yes, there probably is a point at which printing money causes inflation, but we are nowhere near that point, and it has not been true since the U.S. became monetarily sovereign in 1971.

    Since that time, there has been no relationship between federal deficits and inflation. What has caused inflation? Energy prices. See: INFLATION.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • silcominc

    This is an interesting look at the whole mess and I think this economist makes a lot of sense……

    http://www.newslook.com/videos/231765-gerald-celente-wall-street-boys-run-the-show

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    silcominc,

    Ron Paul has a couple of reasonable ideas, including reduced taxes, but spoils it all by saying, . . . “there will be a myriad of smaller Fannies and Freddies and government involvement will reach even deeper into the financial sector. Fannie and Freddie and thus the taxpayer have an alarming $5 trillion exposure to the mortgage market.
    .
    Taxes do not pay for federal spending, so the taxpayer is not exposed to anything except the government’s useless, harmful collection of taxes.
    .
    The “taxpayer pays” myth is used on those phony debt-clock websites to scare people into accepting needless tax punishment. Ron Paul should know better.
    .
    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • volkerh

    “Taxes do not pay for federal spending”
    Could you elaborate on that?
    Spending money without collecting taxes (i.e. by printing money) would create inflation because the relationship between the number of goods and the number of dollars breaks down. (Yes, creating money according to GDP growth is okay but you’re talking about a very different thing.)
    So, collecting taxes and spending money match up (more or less) but you say they don’t have to.

    Assuming you live in a closed economy, without exports and imports, how would your economy work when an ever increasing amount of dollars chases essentially the same amount of goods? At which point do you take money out of circulation and how do you intend to do it? And in what way would that be different from collecting taxes and spending tax money?

    In an open, that is, real, economy it should be pretty obvious that shooting down ones currency isn’t a particularly great idea. If you start printing money Saudi Arabia will simply insist on payment in riyal for its oil.

  • deconstructiva

    Weimar Germany tried printing lots of money and they were quite monetarily sovereign. Bad idea.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    volkerh,

    “So, collecting taxes and spending money match up (more or less). . . “
    So how did we accumulate a $13 trillion “debt”?
    .
    “Spending money without collecting taxes (i.e. by printing money) would create inflation because the relationship between the number of goods and the number of dollars breaks down.”
    This is not true, either historically or theoretically. Historically, there has been no relationship between federal deficits and inflation, during the 40 years the U.S. has been monetarily sovereign (See: INFLATION )
    .
    Federal deficits, which add money to the economy, cause the economy to grow, which increases the national availability of goods and services. Further, in our world economy, there never can be a shortage of goods and services, if money is available to buy them.
    .
    There is one exception to this: Energy prices, which do cause inflation.

    deconstlructiva,

    The German hyperinflation was not caused by printing too much money. That is a myth. Actually, printing too much money was caused by the hyperinflation, which was itself caused by the onerous terms set by the winners of WWI.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • volkerh

    A Deficit has nothing to do with inflation, printing money has.
    The difference is that if the government borrows money from me, I have less money and the balance is correct.

    On the other hand, such a deficit can lead to bankruptcy, unless the gvt decides to print money, which will, in that case, create inflation.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    volkerh,

    You said, “A Deficit has nothing to do with inflation, printing money has.

    Deficit spending = printing money. The two are synonyms. And there has been no relationship between deficit spending (aka “printing money”) and inflation, since 1971, the year in which the U.S. became monetarily sovereign.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell
    .

  • rajudeshi

    European contagion. Oh how i’ve missed you. Say here’s a strange notion. What if the European countries collapse at the same time as the US housing market?

    Here are some economic visuals:

    Euro Zone Collapse:
    http://www.hiddenlevers.com/hl/u?acgtl2
    If one of the PIIGS does default on its debt, here’s what the economic fall-out should look like in the US.

    US Home Prices vs US Pending Home Sales:
    http://www.hiddenlevers.com/hl/u?aIpt15
    Today’s home sales number doesn’t bode well for Home Prices. Get ready for another leg down… i mean below the double dip to create a new low kids.

  • volkerh

    Deficit spending = printing money:
    Could you explain this a bit more please?

    When I borrow money from the bank, no one is printing money. In what way is it different from, say the US borrowing money from me (by selling T-Bills) or from the Fed?

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