What we can learn from for-profit colleges

Today’s Senate hearing about for-profit colleges provides something to think about for anyone who feels privatization is the Great Solution to what ails the U.S. education system. We’ve already heard the stories about how much more often students at profit-seeking schools default on their loans. Now we have an inside look at the hard sell applied to get students to enroll, thanks to this Government Accountability Office (GAO) report. The video is definitely worth a watch.

One college representative tells a prospective student to lie about having kids in order to get more financial aid. Another explains that student loans aren’t like car loans—if you don’t pay, no one comes after you. A third claims that barbers can easily make $1,000 a day—about $250,000 a year—thus justifying the cost of the program. (Never mind that 90% of barbers in Washington D.C., where this conversation took place, make less than $19,000 a year.) To be fair, some of the college representatives are completely stand-up. When a prospective student asks if a job is guaranteed after graduation, one rep replies, “Any school that says that to you gets the Pinocchio award.” Nonetheless, there is obviously much wrong in the world of for-profit college education.

Let’s just not lose sight of one thing the for-profits are getting right.

In a word: growth. In the 1996-97 school year, there were 614 for-profit colleges in the U.S., according to the National Center for Education Statistics. In the 2007-08 school year, there were 1,043. (About half of those are 2-year colleges and half 4-year.) Now, some of that growth surely comes from heavy marketing campaigns and tactics like the ones described above. The nature of profit-seeking companies is that they sometimes convince people to buy things they don’t need.

But there is a secular trend afoot, too: America is a country that increasingly understands the value and importance of post-secondary education. With each passing year, it’s tougher to get a decent job without it. There are a lot of people out there primed for those marketing campaigns when they hit.

Yet traditional colleges—both public and not-for-profit private—aren’t keeping pace. While the number of for-profit institutions has grown by 60% over the past decade, the number of public and not-for-profit private institutions has actually gone down by 3%. It’s important to note that enrollment is up across the board, and that adding more professors and classes arguably makes more sense than adding brand new campuses. Still, for the number of colleges to go down, especially while cities are growing more geographically dispersed, seems a little off the mark.

One argument about why for-profit colleges attract so many students—even though their tuition is often higher than at public community colleges—is that people don’t fully realize their options. They see the for-profit sales pitch, the billboards and the TV commercials, but they don’t realize that similar classes might be had at less expense. Maybe we should get the nation’s public and private not-for-profit colleges talking.

A decade ago, for-profit colleges accounted for 9% of all people graduating with an associate’s degree and 5% of those graduating with a bachelor’s. By 2008, for-profits had 17% of the market for associate’s degrees and 5% of the market for bachelor’s. There are real reasons people turn to for-profits, even when they’re not being lied to about how cheap it will be or how much money they can make. Anyone who has an interest in taming the for-profit beast might want to look into getting those people some better alternatives.

Related Topics: for-profit colleges, not-for-profit colleges, Economy & Policy
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  • danallen2

    Why is growth good? You spend a lot of the article writing about the for-profit scam, and then you say the good thing is that they’re growing. Why is the growth of a scam good?

    Makes no sense.

  • killerdrgn

    This is just as a counter point to the shrinking numbers of traditional not for profit colleges/universities as illustrated in this quote from the article.

    “Yet traditional colleges—both public and not-for-profit private—aren’t keeping pace. While the number of for-profit institutions has grown by 60% over the past decade, the number of public and not-for-profit private institutions has actually gone down by 3%.”

  • Barbara Kiviat

    Exactly, Killerdrgn. Sorry if I wasn’t clear, Danallen2. My point is that we should grow worthwhile educational opportunities. Definitely not scams.

  • Rick Russell

    “One argument about why for-profit colleges attract so many students… is that people don’t fully realize their options.”

    There is also an efficiency component. If you need a professional certification or post-graduate degree, you can call up a for-profit school and be sitting in class in a month or so.

    “Traditional schools”, on the other hand, particularly state schools choked with bureaucracy, may require months of lead time to get you in the door. By the time you’re thinking, “in a couple of months I might have time to undertake this”, you find that the application deadline passed 6 months ago.

    Being able to hit the job market 6 months earlier with a degree or crucial industry certification in hand could offset a lot of tuition costs.

  • commonsense85253

    The BIG problem is that the term “for profit” is connected to these schools. The current administration and most democrats hates the term “profit”. How dare they make a profit! Education like Health Care should be free….NOT!

    Both of my children went to “Private Colleges” which charged twice what the schools in question charge and they never get investigated. My son was left with 120K worth of student loans to make 35K now. Does this math work? His schools admission counselors were much more aggressive since they don’t have to abide by the same rules as the “for profit” schools do.

    My daughter went to Boston University whch is all about the money. Again an education that cost 120K plus. She is still looking for employment with loan repayment lurking. What is her school doing to help? NADA! They already got her money. At least the “for profit” schools must assist their graduates find a job.

    If the “for profit” schools are going to be scrutinized, so should ALL PRIVATE Post Secondary schools as well. They hide behind the “non-profit” moniker so they don’t have to play by the same rules. State schools included.

    Of course there is always the usless alternative…a Community College education. It a cheap education (I use that term very loosly) but I doubt a return on that investment can be realized there too.

  • Barbara Kiviat

    I agree that a lot of supposedly elite private colleges aren’t worth the money! Although, just to be clear, for-profit schools aren’t under any obligation to help graduates find jobs. In fact, if you watch that GAO video, you’ll see one representative say that the school doesn’t have job placement.

  • http://manormaniac.blogspot.com cljahn

    Exactly. Growth is not always beneficial: cancer “grows.”

  • kija1

    Very interesting post by commonsense. I don’t know about what ever state you are from, so I will speak for North Carolina. Here we have a program from “the useless alternatives” that allows students to do their first 2 years of college in community college, after which they can transfer all their credits to a 4 year institution, from where they will earn a degree.
    The beauty of this system is that you can get your first 2 years of college done at a fraction of the cost that you would have paid at a regular 4 year college.
    I suggest that before you go knocking community colleges, try and find out all the ways they can benefit you. I highly doubt your kids would be saddled with such massive amounts of debt if they had taken the community college route to their respective degrees. Community colleges do actually serve a purpose.

    P.S. I did not understand how, in your view, the democrats hate of the concept of “profit”, fit into your argument. Seems to me like it was an unnecessarily cheap shot that detracts from the valid point you were trying to make

  • carpevis

    Having been ripped off by a “for profit” college, I can’t say that I approve of the concept. The points made in the article have some merit, but there has to be a way of redressing inequities, inaccuracies and outright fraud from these institutions.
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    I was enrolled in a certification program that utterly lacked any other learning tools than a few simple quizes, an instructor whose sole contribution to the class was the phrase “read the book” and a lab that had no access if it got screwed up ONCE. Keep in mind that this was a nationally advertised college called Kaplan.
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    I requested a refund within the time limit, but they delayed responding to my request until AFTER the time limit, then informed me that it was past the cut-off day for refunds. They keept the money and taught me nothing but an ever-lasting distrust of for-profit institutions of learning.
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    Should they become more regulated and subject to consumer fraud regulations, I’d be more inclined to re-examine the potentials of for-profit colleges. However based on my past experience, they are not worth the money or effort and are utterly untrustworthy.

  • http://lorenereed.wordpress.com lorenereed

    First – please remember that “profit” is NOT a dirty word.
    The USA is strong and first in this world due to the profit motive. If you want to see how “big government” corrupts and overprices things, come live in Brazil with me.

    It is up to us consumers to check prices and values in everything we buy. “Government” cannot do that for us.

    A college education cannot be decided upon in 5 minutes or a day. Parents cannot be lazy and not do their homework in asking for adequate information in an adequate timeframe BEFORE their children graduate from highschool.

    Please remember that schools need oversight, and the schoolboards in the USA are LOCAL – as they should be. (you should see what happens here in Brazil when Brasilia tries to govern schools in over 5 000 counties over !!!!!) Don´t let that happen in the USA. GET INVOLVED !!!!!

    Bureaucracy breeds inefficiency over time, and has to be reviewed. Many state schools have become bureaucracy-laden over the years, and have to be slimmed up.

    GET INVOLVED!!!!!

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Barbara (I’m late to the prom here on this). It’s been noted here before that “job training” offered by many of these schools is one thing; getting a job after graduation is another: no guarantees! This “system” is a potential money trap for those out of work, buyer beware. Perhaps they all should be required to help with job placement …but how helpful will they really be? Barbara, I hope you have upcoming dead-tree (no paywall) stories on this topic with more thoughts coming up soon.

  • http://sxlly.wordpress.com sxlly

    Sorry, I can not find the important point of this article.

  • collegeloanconsultant

    One thing that not-for-profit schools can learn from the for profits is that they value the federal money these students bring to the schools.

    They will fill out FAFSA’s for them, help with verification and follow the process all the way through until they get the money. No other type of school is as relentlessly determined that their students get every possible penny from the federal government that they can.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Barbara, you said, “America is a country that increasingly understands the value and importance of post-secondary education. With each passing year, it’s tougher to get a decent job without it” and you lamented the student-loan situation. I agree with you.
    .
    One partial solution is for the federal government to pay students a salary — compensation for the job of attending school. The government pays many people salaries for doing things that benefit America. Attending school benefits America. Salaries would help encourage it.
    .
    There is a more detailed discussion about this at SALARY FOR ATTENDING SCHOOL.
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    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Barbara, I also suggest federal support for all schools. See: SCHOOL SUPPORT
    -
    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • Barbara Kiviat

    I’m really sorry to hear that. Sounds like an awful experience. But good for you for standing up and demanding your money back!

  • curmudgeon57

    I’m curious if regional accreditation makes a difference. Virtually all not-for-profit colleges, and many for-profit ones, are accredited. But at least some for-profits are not. While accreditation is largely an administrative exercise that doesn’t necessarily address quality, if a school goes through that process, there is a reasonable expectation that faculty and staff are qualified, and that the school has the facilities and processes necessary to support higher education.

    Advertising may be one reason behind the growth of for-profit higher education, but adapting to the marketplace is also important. One of the reasons I left academia (non-profit) was my frustration at the continued focus on the traditional student, and the lack of interest in changing to meet different needs. Many for-profit schools are filling a market need left wide open by hidebound traditional schools.

  • quantumplanner

    Unfortunately some of these for profit schools are nothing but a scam that takes advantage of the poor and minority communities in this country. The vast majority of students entering these schools are poor women and minorities who for long term systemic and historical reasons (prejudice at the top of the list) end up with such limited choices. This whole scam needs to be brought to a halt before it does the damage that subpirme mortgages have done in terms of destroying the meager wealth that was being built in minority communities during the housing boom. Another scam where rich people on Wall Street get rich at the expense of the poor with government backing. See College, Inc on PBS where the venture investment cycle is clearly shown and a guy with limited education but plenty of entrepreneural skill has become rich with a simple plan, sell your accreditation!

  • http://polino7.wordpress.com polino7

    Many of the for-profit colleges should be just closed. If you go to a school, you spend months studying, an d have a loan to pay back this degree should help you enter the job market. But it’s not the case and students finally find out tjhat they are stucked and want to go to a reagular school, they are told that they can’t receive financial loan because of their defaulted loan.

    Isn’t awful, traumatizing? The actual administration has to do more by ordering to release the Pell Grant to students who are qualified to receive financial aid and who were trapped by for -profit colleges to borrow money and keep thei so-called school alive. They will reimburse the loans after being graduated in a real school. It will make sense.

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