Do We Need A Second Stimulus?

It’s a wonder we can sleep at night. No, I’m not talking about the heat wave cooking the northeast this week but rather the debate over whether  the country needs—or can even afford—a second shot of federal stimulus spending. New York Time’s columnist and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman has been making the case in print and on television that the feds had better get off the stick and get more money moving before the economic recovery melts away. This contrasts with the Euro talk of fiscal restraint and a chorus of Republicans who are pointing toward that ever growing mountain of debt as we pile on deficits.

Adding to the debate is a meaty report from Goldman Sachs chief economist Jan Hatzius entitled ‘No Rush For the Exit’ in which he argues that aggressive U.S. monetary and fiscal policy—the federal stimulus— is now giving way to the deflationary drag of a depressed labor market.  Like other economists, he’s also worried about the inventory cycle, which provided a nice boost to growth in recent months but has now pretty much run its course. Bottom line: More help is needed.

What’s interesting about the Hatzius report is not just the notion that we need more stimulus—the evidence is pretty solid that this economic recovery is now running largely on federal steam, and that’s beginning to peter out— but also his thought that the two most recognized risks to a second stimulus, another inflation-related asset bubble and, second, a dangerous level of debt, are not so large as to justify inaction.

To summarize his analysis, the risk of another asset bubble is certainly possible but unlikely given broad risk aversion and the fact that market valuations remain reasonable. On the debt question, Hatzius argues, “it is difficult to argue that the U.S. government has reached the limits of debt capacity when long-term bond yields are low and falling, and when federal interest payments stand at just 1.5% of GDP.”

The Goldman economist’s view on the goverment’s next best step is, first, do no harm. That is, do not follow the advice of those who advocate fiscal and monetary tightening.  As for proactive moves, Hatzius proposes some long shots like a new TALF-esque special purpose vehicle that could provide cash to non banks in the form of equity and debt. Such a move would require participation from both the Treasury and the Federal Reserve, something that Hatzius concedes is a “very high hurdle.” He doesn’t advocate renewed purchased of mortgage back securities (MBS) because he’s not optimistic it could happen and he’s also not convinced that such purchases would do much to improve the MBS market since interest rate spreads are already pretty thin.

What Hatzius does argue for is an extension of unemployment benefits, continued aid to state and local governments and more time for those Bush era tax cuts, which are pegged to expire at the end of 2010. To balance such largess with credible fiscal restraint, Hatzius advocates a concomitant commitment to long-term deficit reduction. That would involve new actions to further slow the growth of entitlement spending, and possibly higher taxes down the road. This may strike many as politically impossible, but it also smacks of reasonableness. In fact, it’s the kind of common sense thinking that politicians on both sides of the aisle need to take to heart if they are going to lead us out of this troubled period.

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  • deconstructiva

    John, thanks for these thoughts, but unless I missed it, one word is missing from your post: jobs. Need more of ‘em if you want a recovery. Have your teammates ponder creating them outside of the Census Bureau, because the private market sure as hell ain’t doing this now. Barbara has explored this before; more thoughts from her please. And don’t put any more of her articles behind the new paywall, ok? Thanks.

  • ps56penn62pr64

    The authority and power to create legal money belongs to the government of a recognized sovereign nation, not to a commercial corporation or privately owned cartel.

    When commercial corporations, like the Federal Reserve and the banks that make up the monetary system, issue the nation’s money as the principal of loans, loans that must be repaid with additional interest attached, they create loan contracts that are impossible to fulfill. Since banks create only the principal of the loans using the multiplier effect of fractional reserve lending, the interest must be paid from the existing money supply, leaving insufficient money to repay the principal of the loans when they are viewed as an aggregate whole. Since the fundamental contracts are impossible to fulfill, the system must periodically fail.

    Only government has the authority, power and flexibility to issue the permanent currency necessary for a sustainable economy. It can lend money like a bank, issue and spend money directly for government programs and it can regulate the economy with tax policy.

    A $1trillion stimulus of government issued currency, apportioned according the current census, distributed equally to states and local government, and spent on state and local projects would put a substantial amount of money in the hands of ordinary people who desperately need it to buy goods and services.

    The nation’s authority to issue our currency must be restored to the US Congress.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Excellent comment. Although “fractional reserve lending” does not really exist (bank lending is limited by capital, not by reserves), your analysis is fundamentally correct.
    .
    You can see some evidence of this at FEDERAL MONEY
    .
    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    The answer is YES and be quick about it, before we have to start back at zero.
    And when we get to the part about reduced entitlements, lets see where we can cut outside entitlements first, saving those cuts for emergency survival mode.

  • garble01

    Ok, so how do you think applying socialist practices will work in the long term in a capitalist system? The system has already spoken…these companies are not viable and cannot survive. Therefore, the system does not need these companies and ones that are more fit will fill the gap.

  • Barbara Kiviat

    Thanks for the implicit compliment, but those decisions are being made on a much higher floor than the one we sit on. Check out the discussion in the comments of my soda tax post.

  • bryanfromhouston

    While I think this was no doubt an implicit compliment, I suppose the bigger compliment would involve a transfer of greenbacks to lay eyeballs on your, in general, excellent writing and analysis. Are the high sheriff’s ready for this? As I wrote below in the soda tax /pay walls entry, the consumer will now become the ultimate arbiter of what is worth eyeballs voted for with greenbacks…this will, indeed, be an interesting experiment. :-)

  • ksuchomel

    Jobs are always the last thing to recover. Just look at the historical record from recessions and the Depression and you will see this is true.

  • deconstructiva

    Yep, compliment intended. Thanks for your work, Barbara, and great post / comments below at soda tax piece. I just left a reply pondering if reporters get a “cut” of the money from paid views. I think Gawker used to pay bloggers based on page hits. There is a risk in that approach of chasing “eyeballs” (not literal ones) above everything else but it’s good to reward reporters in cash for their best work beyond the paycheck.

  • http://napper1.wordpress.com napper1

    It all seems so simple to me. I can’t spend money when I don’t have a job. The money I don’t spend is money that doesn’t go to someone else who eventually loses his job. Then he doesn’t spend money and the downward spiral continues. I have had to cash in large portions of my savings and my IRA merely to pay basic bills, such as my mortgage and utilities and to buy food. That was money that was investment capital that could have been used to grow the economy but now is gone with the wind.
    A second stimulus…..put directly into the hands of consumers…..is what is needed and neeeded now. Yes, deficit spending increases debt, but unless we get people back to work and spending money again there won’t be enough taxpayers to support the tax increases….along with program cuts….that will be required to reduce the debt. Krugman’s right!

  • bryanfromhouston

    Garble01,
    We already have substantial evidence of how applying socialist practices will work in the longterm in a capitalist system. Several European economies have shown that a limited application (key word: limited!!) can engender financial stability and moderate sustainable economic growth. The problem has arisen when the systems have been allowed to advance in largesse and caused a lack of confidence in their viability among the market.
    .
    So, the answer is NOT blanket austerity, but it is well-timed and planned austerity which sures up the sustainability of vital sectors of the economy and perpetuates stability in growth. It is this lack of stability in these programs and not the debt that is the real cause of people being spooked…it is the fact that social services are being dismembered at precisely the time they are most useful (when jobs are lacking and private sector is scared to invest) that is spooking folks. So, your assertion that the system does not need these companies is empirically wrong. Further, there is every indication that new companies will not fill the gaps in U.S. employment but in China, Malaysia, and Korea.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    The debt hawks are to economics as the creationists are to biology.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • Barbara Kiviat

    @bryanfromhouston/deconstructiva: Few Time Inc. high sheriffs come from journalism—I think they already are comfortable with letting consumers dictate what we do. It’s people like me, who consider journalism both a business opportunity and a public service, who are more likely to be wary. I could get paid based on how many hits my stories get, but then I’d suddenly have an incentive to write less about economic policy and more about celebrities who leave their panties at home.

  • Barbara Kiviat

    I’ve missed you, BfromH. Glad you’re back.

  • john31617

    I hate when someone says the suloution is as simple as “get a job”.I have now been unemployed for 6 months, could not afford to live where I was so had to move to a different state and look for work. in 6 months, I have had 1 interview. I send my resume out to companies I would not dream of working for just to get a job, but even that has not helped. now there are people who have been out of work for 2 years now, and have been getting benifits until now, I feel for them but, I am now ending my initial 26 week period and do not have any prospects for work or hope for government help.

    When I lost my job, I lost my insurance as well. I have a health condition that requires medication, but I can not afford either my medication or the insurance. COBRA is nice, sure, but even at a “reduced” rate for it, I can not afford to buy it and keep my family above water.

    and now, I did find a job, worked 2 days, and they decided they would rather have someone who is bilingual instead. But, because I worked 2 days, unemployment believes they have the right to hold off my payment for 4 weeks now. i have tried getting in contact with them, but thier phone system states there are too many calls & hangs up, my emails to them go unanswered, and yet my bills keep coming (such as RENT) the state says my family has too much income for assistance because of the unemployment I am getting, so I am stuck between a rock and a hard place.

  • wisegrowth

    Some personal questions…
    Are you able to pay down credit card debt amidst your money troubles?… How much of your savings have you had to tap into?

    A general question…
    When people tap into their savings, does that show a fall in the savings rate?

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