Should Japan join the PIIGS?

There are a few, special criteria a country needs to meet to become a member of the illustrious PIIGS – that collection of beleaguered Eurozone economies made up of Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain. Does Japan qualify for the honor?
Let’s see:

High government debt? Check.

Low growth prospects? Check.

Desperate need for reform? Check.

Concern about the state of national finances? Check.

With all those points in favor, you might be asking: Why hasn’t Japan already become one of the PIIGS?

The fact is that Japan has been in a much more stable financial position than its level of debt would suggest. Government debt is heading towards 200% of GDP — the heaviest burden of any industrialized country – but that giant load hasn’t sparked as much concern in global markets as the debt of Greece, Portugal or Spain. That’s because the Japanese government generally finances its fiscal deficits through Japan’s own substantial pool of domestic savings. Thus Japan, unlike Greece, doesn’t have to depend on international markets to keep its government afloat. That has allowed Japan to dodge the growing jitters about rising sovereign debt that have seized markets in Europe. In fact, Japanese assets have even been seen as something of a safe haven amid the turmoil. Yields on Japanese government bonds (JGBs) have actually come down, an indication that they’re seen as less risky. Japan has thus been able to finance its deficits at very low cost, unlike most of the PIIGS.

But let’s not declare Japan PIIG-proof just yet. The question is: Can that happy situation persist? Julian Jessop, chief international economist at research firm Capital Economics, says no. Though the government recently announced a plan to balance the budget over the next decade, Jessop believes it won’t be enough to assuage those concerned about Japan’s fiscal position. Here is some of Jessop’s reasoning:

Demand for Japanese government bonds as a safe haven from the risk of sovereign debt defaults elsewhere has more than offset any concerns about the fiscal position in Japan itself. But this is likely to change soon as doubts grow about the new administration’s mid- to long-term plans…Even on the government’s plans, the ratio of debt to GDP…will continue to rise for another ten years… We suspect that something more concrete will be needed soon to protect Japan’s current rating (AA with S&P)… The current worldwide fears about sovereign credit mean that a further downgrade of Japan would be a much greater risk to JGBs – and to global markets generally – than those in the past.

Carl Weinberg of High Frequency Economics manages to get even gloomier. Japan’s public sector debt problem, he wrote in a recent report, “dwarfs those of all the PIIGS combined in every dimension.” Japan’s debt-to-GDP ratio could be stabilized only by a turnaround in its primary fiscal balance of 15% of GDP. What that means is that the government would have to cut budgetary spending or raise taxes to an amount equivalent of 15% of GDP. That’s huge, and bordering on impossible. Weinberg writes:

We presently have no plausible scenario in which the ratio of debt to GDP ever declines…We doubt that any government in Japan has the political moxie to introduce fiscal spending cuts or tax hikes on that order of magnitude…not one that plans to survive, anyway.

So that means Japan is…some kind of Super PIIG? Not everyone would agree with this negative view. Jim O’Neill, chief economist at Goldman Sachs, recently ended a visit to Japan with much more optimism about the economy’s future. Here’s what he wrote about his findings:

Many foreign investors (and perhaps, judging by their investment behavior, some domestic Japanese retail investors too) worry that the kind of crisis in many of the southern Mediterranean countries today will hit Japan at some point. If we look at the simple trend of Japan’s working population, its level of debt and its personal savings rate, it is hard to avoid sharing some of these concerns.

However, he also said:

Recent developments paint a less gloomy picture. First, the cyclical recovery of the economy is on a par with that in the US and Europe—and possibly even better. Second, following another change in the Prime Minister, the conditions for Japan to make progress on its taxation system and its fiscal challenges now appear to be in place.

Subsequent to my original post, Christian Carrillo, head of Asia fixed income strategy at Societe Generale, sent me an email outlining another important factor in Japan’s favor: Money keeps flowing into the country. That’s because it still runs current account surpluses and is a net creditor to the rest of the world. So as Japan’s public debt increases, the country’s assets are increasing at well. Yields on Japanese bonds are low, he writes, because “Japan as a whole is a very solvent, highly liquid country.” Here’s more from a report he published today:

Japan keeps getting richer: This highlights one of the key reasons behind our reluctance to accept the idea of an imminent fiscal collapse in Japan: on an aggregate basis, the country does not have a debt problem. Japan’s massive net financial surplus continued to increase in Q1 2010. According to BoJ flow of funds data, the surplus grew to ¥471tn (about $5.2tn at currentexchange rates), up ¥5.6tn from Q4 2009.

How would we fit a “J” into PIIGS anyway?

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  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Aside from the fact that Debt/GDP is a meaningless, apples/oranges ratio (See: JAPAN ) the following statement is 100% wrong: ” . . . the Japanese government generally finances its fiscal deficits through Japan’s own substantial pool of domestic savings.”
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    Japan is a monetarily sovereign nation, meaning it has the unlimited ability to create its money to pay its bills. Japan finances its fiscal deficits simply by creating money, which it can do endlessly. The PIIGS are not monetarily sovereign, which is why they do have problems.
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    Think about it. How can domestic savings finance deficits? Does the government reach into savings accounts to pay its creditors? There is no mechanism for this, and if there were, there would be no debt.
    .
    This notion that “eventually” Japan will have problems is classic debt hawk nonsense. These people never admit to being wrong, despite massive evidence flying in their faces. Japan is living proof the entire debt hawk philosophy is a sham. The debt hawks still live in a pre-1971 (gold standard) world, when there were no monetarily sovereign nations.
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    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • paulmckeav

    people use their savings to buy JGBs which in turn is financing to the goverment – thats what they mean.

  • paulmckeav

    japanese households use their savings to buy JGBs which in turn is financing to the goverment – thats what they mean.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    A monetarily sovereign nation pays its bills simply by crediting the bank accounts of creditors. As a monetarily sovereign nation, it can do this endlessly.
    .
    Here is how bonds are sold.
    1. Buyer puts money in a checking account.
    2. The government debits the checking account and credits the buyer’s savings account with the Federal Reserve Bank (All T-bill buyers have one).
    3. When the T-bill matures, the government credits the buyer’s checking account, along with a few extra dollars (interest), which the government creates out of thin air.
    .
    In short, money flows between the buyer’s checking account and savings account, and back. At no time does the government receive spending money from the sale of T-securities, which actually are an obsolete relic of the gold standard days. National spending is not constrained by income, for a monetarily sovereign nation.
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    The writer needs to understand the difference between monetarily sovereign nations and those nations (all EU nations, for example) that are not monetarily sovereign.
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    By the way, one would think Japan has disproved the debt-hawk belief that money creation causes inflation. Sadly, facts are not part of the debt-hawk belief system.
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    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • bryanfromhouston

    Paul,
    I don’t think you understand what they mean. As a quick exercise to gain an understanding, I would suggest rereading Roger’s post after looking at the current amounts of JGB purchases by the Japanese public and comparing that to the overall JGB market. Empirically you will see that your statement lacks evidentiary support.

  • volkerh

    “Japan finances its fiscal deficits simply by creating money…”
    Any evidence for this?
    The article says otherwise and it sounds plausible.
    A lot of german debt works in the same way. Private citizens buy Bundesschatzbriefe or the new Tagesanleihe with money they earned.
    The fact that the EU /could/ do an inflation does not mean they do it right now. Same for Japan.

  • volkerh

    “When the T-bill matures, the government credits the buyer’s checking account, along with a few extra dollars (interest), which the government creates out of thin air.”
    You sure they don’t use tax money and freshly placed bonds for this?

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Bryan, thanks for your comment. I’m curious to see that data. Where can I find it?
    .
    However, whether the Japanese public bought 100% or 1% of Japanese bonds, doesn’t affect this fundamental truth: Japan is a monetarily sovereign nation, and as such, its spending is not in any way constrained by income.
    .
    Japan could sell $0 in bonds, and even could eliminate all taxes, and this would not affect by even one yen, the Japanese government’s ability to spend or to service its debt.
    .
    Mr. Schuman suffers from Anthropomorphic economic disease.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • bryanfromhouston

    Roger,
    The number of JGB is about 25% I believe, but I heard that on CNBC so that might be wrong, but in general, it is far from financing JGB debt issues.
    But what you said is entirely true that whether “japanese households use their savings to buy JGBs which in turn is financing to the government” or not has no effect or limit of the ability of a monetarily sovereign nation to print as much money as it wishes to print.

    In particular with the U.S. maintaining the position, for the indefinite future, as the world’s reserve currency….our government has that ability. We have no need to engage in draconian austerity measures. All we have to do is grow our economy and just have a plan to level out our spending levels…which will happen automatically for 2 reasons.

    1) The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will not go on forever. The American public has grown war weary. While we have had some form of low-grade war for many years, this is not the natural posture of the U.S. populace at large and on trend.

    2) Baby-boomers will begin to take on less debt in retirement, spend more on healthcare and eventually lead to a drop in overall US population. Each factor individually will have a big effect on our economy.

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    Bryan, your #1 and #2 are correct, I’m sad to say. (Not sad the wars will end; sad the war spending will end.) War spending is stimulative.
    .
    Interestingly, private debt is not nearly as stimulative as federal debt. See: DEBT. Although money is money, the payback requirements of private debt make it much less reliable and long lasting.
    .
    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • waltwriston

    I swear the carry trade on the yen is way underestimated. Sure, a low yen allows cheap credit at super low interest rates; however it also produces huge exposures to LDC’s and developing comities. For instance, if the yen carry trade would fully unwound what would any of you think would happen?

    Answer, a flight to quality! The yen would be abandoned in a second, and all those cheap carries would flood Japan like tsunami!

  • http://senekaross.wordpress.com senekaross

    Japan will never join PIIG.
    Japanese prefer FISH.

    http://japan-russia.jimdo.com/

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