Would Trading Curbs Make Market Woes Worse?

Fixing the stock market, it appears, is not as easy as we thought. In the days after the May 6th so-called “flash crash” that sent the market down nearly 1000 points in about 15 minutes, it seemed that everyone agreed on one point: We need better stock market curbs. Halt stocks instead of exchanges and we would never have to worry about stock market drops again, at least not ones that occur while I am out getting lunch (yes, I tend to eat my mid-day meal on the late side). Done and done.

Well it turns out that fix might not be as good as we thought. Here’s why:

Turns out some traders think that curbs might add more volatility to the market, not less. I guess the theory is if you have all these people who want to trade and then you bar the door, yes you could have a cooling off period and some of those people go away. But you could cause the exact opposite result. Instead of the crowd waiting to sell dissipating during the market stop, it could grow. When you throw the market’s doors open again, the crush of selling could be even worse.

Investors have mostly embraced the breakers as necessary given the trying times. Still, a flurry of temporary stoppages could soak up liquidity, impact derivatives markets and make for choppy short-term trading, observers said.

“If you put a bunch of stock gaps in the way, you don’t know what’s going to happen after the gap releases,” said Marc Pado, U.S. market strategist at Cantor Fitzgerald & Co in San Francisco.

“There’s a lot of uncertainty of what happens when you just stop things for five minutes. So a lot of people disagree with it. Some people feel it’s the right way to go, but unfortunately, not knowing what the end result is another risk you take when you invest.”

The SEC’s chairwoman Mary Shapiro told a Senate panel on Thursday that the SEC is committed to trying out the trading curbs, but that she thinks that is not the only solution. She also thinks we need to so something to get more humans back into the market making.

She [SEC's Shapiro] emphasized that one of the most important factors in controlling rapid market plunges is to “get that human factor back into” the markets “when the technology has run amok.”

Gary Gensler, chairman of the U.S. Commodities Futures Trading Commission, agreed that “we need to examine whether further protections are needed in these fast-paced computer-driven markets.”

He added, “We can’t stop technology, but I think we need to update our [regulations] to stay abreast of this.”

That was one of the points I was trying to make in one of my market fix solutions in the article I did two weeks ago.

In the late 1990s, marketmakers would regularly artificially inflate the difference between what a buyer paid for a stock and what a seller got — the so-called spread — in order to boost the marketmakers’ profits. That drove up the cost of trading stocks. In order to stop that, regulators forced the Nasdaq and the NYSE to open up their markets to competition. New electronic exchanges popped up. Spreads narrowed — in many cases to as little as a penny, sometimes less — and that brought down the cost of trading.

It also drove the marketmakers and specialists, who are the people who stand on the floor of the NYSE finding buyers and sellers, out of business. Computers now do much of the function of buying and selling stocks. Most days it works well. On May 6, not so much. Computers, unlike actual marketmakers, will not step in to provide liquidity when stocks plunge. In fact, computer traders have the opposite effect: they all basically move with the tide.

One solution would be to mandate that all stocks have a minimum spread — even a few pennies would make marketmaking more profitable — and give an incentive to specialist firms to buy in and calm the markets.

Widening spreads is probably not a popular solution. And I don’t believe it came up in Thursday’s hearing on the mater. It’s not popular because wider spreads will increase the cost of trading. But if it means eliminating 1,000 point gut wrenching drops that scare individual investors out of the market, then I think it is probably worth the cost.

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  • deconstructiva

    Turns out some traders think that curbs might add more volatility to the market, not less.
    .
    Stephen, which traders told you this? Did they request anonymity? (yes this is a common swampland complaint / pavlovian habit: please name your sources, etc.). Pardon my cynicism but many stories I read about mkt. reaction (to new rules) mostly come across as a veiled threat: let us keep doing whatever we wish or we’ll tank the market. To which I say bring on the new rules stat and learn to make money within them. Some will (like GS, but I digress). That’s my impression, right or wrong; is it yours?
    .
    …and btw, have you stopped morning reads or will they be end-of-day mkt. wraps? With five teammates and plenty of headlines there can (and needs to be) plenty of daily posts here. These are needed along with your replies to our q.’s / ideas – we’re trying! – in order to help build a reader base / higher page hits. Tell the High Sheriffs NOT to be impatient. Swampland’s large commentariat didn’t develop overnight and besides, it’s more polite here than there so take advantage of this. (I prefer lunch off-hours too – less crowded, faster service.)

  • wisegrowth

    The computers go with the tide…. that is key…

    High speed trading by computers is about 40 to 60% of stock trading…. The average transaction lasts 11 seconds … What??!!

    11 SECONDS !!!!

    Now efficient market hypothesis is based on the random walk movement… 50% chance to go up or down… But this is not what we see in reality because these computers are making money every single day… This is not random walk …

    The better image is of piranhas nibbling at a piece of meat in the water… you see the piece of meat move back and forth in the water from the random nibbling… but the nibbling is not random… when there is more meat on one side the nibbling moves to that side… if the piece of meat turns in the water… nibbling goes to the other side… there is always meat on both sides but it is not 50% equal as would be in efficient market hypothesis…

    You can take the analogy even further if you like…

    But… Basically the computers predict the market for only the next 11 seconds… the trading is based on extremely short term and near sighted views…

    Now are stock prices irrational? …

    Obviously yes… since the computers make money everyday… they are rational in each 11-second average moment … but they are irrational with respect to the correct value of the stock… the computers have no problem reacting to instantaneous emotional momentum and making money from that … Get the drift? It is irrational…

    Therefore at least 60% of the trading is not based on rational analysis of value…

    Ultimately some force within the other 40% of investors has to correct the value of the stocks … and if this doesn´t happen because either those others believe the stock price is correct according to efficient market hypothesis … or they back off for a day… you simply have the blind leading the blind into irrational movements of prices…

  • doug374

    Interesting to cite the random walk in opposition to flash trading, given that Malkiel disagrees.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1513400e-e8cf-11de-a756-00144feab49a.html

  • wisegrowth

    From article you sent….
    “In an efficient market, prices reflect information quickly, not slowly over time. ”

    Think more deeply, please… it depends on what information you use… the high speed computers are analyzing emotional momentum, not information directly related to value…. this is irrational… the computers don´t care about the value of the stock… they only want to nibble at the movements… this does not lead to efficient pricing… it is slippery away from value
    his logic is weak in the article anyway…

    The random walk hypothesis says that you can´t beat the market…. yet the high-speed computer trading beat it everyday of the first quarter… how do you rectify that?
    Aren´t the computers actually seeing that as you look very closely at the movements of the price, that it is not random?
    and this is over 60% of the trading going on… and that 60% doesn´t care if the price is overinflated or not… if it is a bubble price or not….

  • waltwriston

    I totally agree on this point esp. on how the Prediction Company consistently beat the market; Doyne Farmer has some excellent papers here: http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+doyne+farmer/0/1/0/all/0/1

    Joel Kurtzman’s book: The Death of Money: How the Electronic Economy Has Destabilized the World’s Markets and Created Financial Chaos. Made be a believer that high speed transactions can and do cause price augmentations and self-reinforcing patterns. He also states in it that as trading speed increases ever-faster that another Black Monday MUST happen again, and I bet the market behaves the same way for the rest of 2010 as it did in 1987.

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