Are we going to get rid of the mortgage interest deduction?

Last week Shaun Donovan, who runs the Department of Housing and Urban Development, said that it might make sense to modify the mortgage interest tax deduction. Sacrilege! Giving people a tax break for buying a house is one of the great middle class subsidies. Donovan knew he was on shaky ground when he said it, and did plenty to hedge. According to the WSJ:

He also made clear that the Obama administration isn’t actively considering, much less endorsing, such a step, which could affect millions of homeowners… Pressed for more details, Donovan again made clear that this wasn’t an active conversation inside the administration. “We’re not actively looking at this. It’s not something that we have a policy group on or anything at this point,” he said. “I don’t want to get into the details of discussions that aren’t happening.”

Too bad. Because we shouldn’t only look at getting rid of the mortgage interest deduction—we should actually do it.

Each year, about 40 million tax payers claim the mortgage interest deduction. Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that between 2009 and 2013, the federal government will miss out on about $600 billion in revenue as a result. In 2009, the tax break cost the government $80 billion—which could have paid for more than 2% of all federal spending.

Drumming up revenue is all well and good, but a bigger reason to get rid of the tax break is that it makes buying a house artificially cheap, and it encourages people to take on more debt, since the tax break comes from the loan and not, say, the amount of equity held in the house.

In a recent op-ed in the Boston Globe, Harvard economist Edward Glaeser made a few other compelling arguments. First, that the mortgage deduction isn’t an evenly distributed tax break:

The mortgage interest deduction is also extremely regressive. Economists James Poterba and Todd Sinai estimate that the deduction typically saves $523 per year in taxes for home-owning families earning between $40,000 and $75,000, and $5,459 per year for families earning more than $250,000.

Indeed, Donovan pointed out that many lower income home owners don’t take the deduction at all because they don’t itemize their taxes since the standard deduction is worth more to them.

Also, as Glaeser points out in his Globe piece, the tax break has contributed to the proclivity to buy larger houses, since you get a bigger tax break if you take out a bigger loan:

Americans, even poor Americans, have almost twice as much living space as the average resident of France or Germany. According to the Residential Energy Consumption Survey, homes with between 2,500 and 3,000 square feet of heated living space use 41 percent more electricity than homes with between 1,500 and 2,000 square feet of space. In an age of global warming, why should we subsidize the greater energy use inherent in larger homes?

On the other side of the argument, we have the nation’s real estate agents, mortgage brokers and home builders. A nice little lobbying block they’ve got going. Not to mention those 40 million tax payers (i.e., voters) who currently receive the deduction. It would be a fantastic political feat to get rid of a tax break with such a following—especially at a time when the housing industry is limping along.

At this point, I’m happy that we’re even talking about it.

Related Topics: mortgage interest, Economy & Policy
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  • danallen2

    Just brilliant. Jack up taxes sky-high on the middle class.

    This after the mother of all heists by the rich.

    And, also destroy social programs in blue states–the states with the highest real estate values–because maintaining how property tax and mortgage interest without deductions would effectively gut any appetite taxpayers currently have for medicare/medicaid in these states.

    The mortgage interest deduction INFLATES the value of homes. It does not make them artificially cheap. Without the deduction, the price of homes would DEFLATE to what people could afford to pay.

    So, first you’d have to solve the housing valuation problem in order to do this. Then you’d have to change Federal entitlement laws so that every state gets Ben Nelson’s Nebraska provision, and finally, you’d have to jack up the taxes on the rich by a similar amount (say a middle class family gets 2k off their taxes for 10k mortgage interest, that’s a tax increase of about 3% in income from families making about 75k).

  • http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

    There never has been a tax that benefited our economy. Removing any tax “break” hurts our economy.

    If you think having home owners pay more tax will benefit anyone — rich or poor, renter or owner — you don’t understand the effect of taxes. All will be hurt, including you.

    Anyway, the government neither needs nor uses tax money, which is destroyed upon receipt. The government does not spend tax money.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

  • deconstructiva

    Barbara, it’s interesting that new homes are getting smaller. I think this trend will increase. It started even during the boom since big homes were priced way too high …which is why during boom (when I was working) I didn’t buy any home or condo. Unlike others, I didn’t want to overreach and borrow too much (good thing I hesitated since later lost job, alas). Now with lower / unstable incomes, energy prices, etc. + some lifestyle changes smaller homes are better.
    .
    If we must have a housing deduction for political reasons, can it be changed? Instead of regressive / favoring the bigger home mortgages, base the credit the opposite way: bigger breaks for those with smaller, greener homes, renovating homes for green energy use, etc. Going for the traditional big McMansion or “Desperate Housewives” house means getting less of a credit, phased out at a certain home size and value.
    .
    Also, when economy recovers and home lending flows like water and wine again (and it will, of course), people will choose or need to renovate their homes (currently putting off “home work” now thx to crappy recession). I’ll love that: more construction biz, helps out retail biz too, and between both I’ll be back at work …renovating homes and biz’s! One can dream, yes? (sorry for long post, Barbara, thanks for your posts)

  • samgilbert

    I’d like to point out that “missing out on revenue” is exactly the same thing as spending because overall taxes have to be higher to give a mortgage interest deduction. A deduction which at least contributed to our current crisis. For those that think that government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers (and doing it badly) elimination of this deduction should be high priority.

  • wisegrowth

    I am in favor of getting rid of the mortgage interest deduction…!

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    What about establishing some localised index cost for housing. The amount you earn that will be spent on putting a roof over your head is exempt from income tax. That would be a fair tax.

  • Barbara Kiviat

    I like that idea.

  • wisegrowth

    Can you give an example of how this would work?

  • teddy42

    If we would ever have a true flat income tax, then the mortgage deduction would be gone anyway. At least with a flat income tax everyone would pay their fair share, say 15%? of their income. Remember, 47% of the people DON’T pay ANY federal income taxes. In fact, many get MORE money back than they paid in during the year.

    This will never happen because there are too many people who feel it’s their right to NOT pay ANY taxes at all and they vote.

  • http://stephenpoo.wordpress.com stephenpoo

    A deduction for everyone not just home buyers but renters also.
    Say in your city it costs $800 a month to rent your apartment thats $9600 per year. Doing your taxes you get to knock off the first $9600. Meaning you don’t pay taxes on the $9600 but you don’t get it back either thats what you spent to live.
    Say in your city a mortage would cost you $1500 a month. Still you get to knock off only $9600.
    Because your buying you will have a gain the renter won’t.
    Housing is a necessity not a luxury so give us a break up front. They do give us a standard deduction but its not near enough to cover housing and food which I don’t consider a luxury.

  • sbourg

    To Barbara Kiviat:
    Are you actually an economic-illiterate, or perhaps just a big-govt socialist? You see Barbara, another $600B to go the federal govt every year is just another way of feeding the insatiable beast — the fed govt. They already consume, along with state and local govt, WAY too much of our GDP…probably 35%. Barbara, this costs millions of private sector jobs, because we get it siphoned off for ‘makework’ govt jobs and income-transfers. The result of another $600B/year taxes would be millions more job losses, because the private sector loses that money. Do you understand that?
    Next is the catastrophe of homeowners losing equity in their homes……would become even worse if home prices quickly ‘reset’ to account for after-tax interest payments. Good god…..I KNOW we want lower home prices, but do we really want another reset to occur so quickly and thereby screw taxpayers with a double-whammy? Seriously, you are deranged to think this is a good idea now.

  • randymiller

    This is NOT a middle class tax break anymore. A couple making $90,000 per year, with perhaps a $100,000 mortgage at 6 percent pays $6,000 in mortgage interest. If they pay $7,000 in local and state taxes, their itemized deductions for those two items is $13K. Assume they have $500 in charitable deductions, that puts them at $13,500. Standard deduction is $11,400. So, eliminating the mortgage deduction does not increase their taxable income by $6,000, it only increases it by $2100, because they will start taking the standard deduction.

    Raise the standard deduction to $13,000, eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, and the vast majority of Americans can file on a short form with no increase in taxes.

    Sorry to all you guys living in $500,000 plus houses, but really, how many rooms can you be in at 1 time?

  • wisegrowth

    Stephen,
    I am not sure I like the idea… this is why…
    Both the home owner and the renter get the tax deduction…
    If the home owner doesn´t live there (like you said … the cost of putting a roof over your head) they shouldn´t get the deduction… only the renter

    What if you got rid of the mortgage interest deduction and replaced it with a renter´s deduction?
    What do you see as the advantages and disadvantages of that…??

  • wisegrowth

    Have you ever studied the positive social externalities that arise from the govt providing public goods??

    I will make an analogy of a father providing the food at his daughter´s wedding reception …

    The food will be the public good that is being provided… It is non-excludable in consumption, meaning that he cannot prevent people who do not pay from consuming the food…

    Now let´s say that the father thinks like a businessman in the free market. And when he plans the amount of food to serve,

    * he begins to think about the free-riders who come to the reception only to eat the food… He doesn´t want to serve food to them because he knows that they don´t pay …
    * Now the father begins to think about which people have helped his daughter and been good friends over the years… obviously not everyone… so some people deserve more and others deserve less… if any at all…
    * Now the father thinks about what each individual guest could actually afford or be willing to pay to eat … and realizes that not everyone would be willing to pay for their food when there was enough for everyone …He has to optimize his profit because he is a business…

    Taking these thoughts into consideration, and doing a Marginal Revenue optimization… the father decides on the amount to serve… and lo and behold, there isn´t enough food at the reception for everybody … some people who deserve the food, go without, and some of the free-riders actually get to eat… Still, he is content because of his efficiency…
    But then, grumbling begins among the guests,… saying that the father is cheap and not being a good father… that he doesn´t care for his daughter … They say he must be poor… they say he must have money problems or something… they say, in effect, he is not efficient because there isn´t enough food…

    Now the daughter is sad and looks at her father with disappointment…

    We have encountered the negative externalities of a private-sector father trying to provide a public good …

    Now if he had just counted how many guests would be eating, and provided enough for all… there would have been enough for everyone, the daughter would have been happy, the reception would have been happier and more fun…. more energy, more dancing, more liveliness, more productive atmosphere and more happy memories…

    Lots of good productive positive externalities to go around… drink up and be happy!

  • broncojohnny

    Hey, I have an idea for how to close up the deficit. It is quite radical. Why don’t we have the federal government REDUCE SPENDING before we end up like Greece or Spain?

    Instead we have to endure articles such as this that pass judgements on what kind of home people want to buy. Before you know it we wouldn’t even be able to write misanthropic comments about big houses or baloney about how houses should be “green”. We’d have to spare each other the smug bullsh#t and mind our own business rather than trying to tell the guy down the street what he should or shouldn’t be doing in a supposedly free country.

  • randymiller

    Bronco, you can live in any type of house you want to, based on your own values and judgments.

    I am just saying I don’t want to subsidize you if you take out a $500,000 mortgage. And make no mistake about it, the mortgage interest deduction is a subsidy that favors people in expensive houses.

    I agree with the writers who say that this deduction inflates housing prices. Same thing with farm subsidies. Over time, subsidizing crop prices means farmers will bid up cash rent, which raises land prices to the point that land cost is a barrier to entry for some young farmer trying to get into the business. The only guys who really benefit are the absentee landlords, who own more than 50% of the land.

    Government subsidies and tax breaks create economic distortion. We may not have an economy with central planning residing at the seat of government, but it is certainly distorted by the government.

  • volkerh

    Yes, one could do that. So, where would you save?

    Health care? Like, by stopping to pay for treatments that are useless? Or by letting more people die for lack of coverage? Right now the death count is one 9/11 per month.

    Defense? Lots of useless jobs in the defense industry, right? Only the repubs have to stop the scare tactics and wait a few months until their voters have forgotten.

    What else do we have … right, highways! Who needs them anyway!

    Or, all this environ-mental stuff? Dealing with global warming is easy, just turn up the air conditioning. And that little oilspill can easily cleaned up with the 75 million BP’s liabilities are capped at.

    OTOH a USA without a central government would probably be less of a bother to the rest of the world.

  • volkerh

    Sorry, the posting was supposed to an answer to broncojohnny.

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