Rich people still have jobs, poor people don’t

Bob Herbert’s column in yesterday’s New York Times pointed out that the unemployment crisis is not hitting all parts of the income spectrum equally. I was pretty stunned by the numbers, which go like this:

Range of incomes (by decile) Unemployment rate
$12,160 or less 30.8%
$12,160-$20,725 19.1%
$20,725-$29,680 19.7% 15.3%
$29,680-$39,000 12.2%
$39,000-$50,000 9.0%
$50,000-$63,000 7.8%
$63,000-$79,100 6.4%
$79,100-$100,500 5.0%
$100,150-$138,700 8.0% 4.0%
$138,700+ 3.2%

The data, which are for the fourth quarter, come from a new study (PDF) by Andrew Sum, Ishwar Khatiwada and Sheila Palma at Northeastern University’s Center for Labor Market Studies. The researchers conclude that “what has been missing from the public debate over the labor market crisis is an honest and detailed analysis of which American workers have been most adversely affected by the deep deterioration in labor markets.”

Furthermore:

At the end of calendar year 2009… workers in different segments of the income distribution clearly found themselves in radically different labor market conditions. A true labor market depression faced those in the bottom two deciles of the income distribution, a deep labor market recession prevailed among those in the middle of the distribution, and close to a full employment environment prevailed at the top. There was no labor market recession for America’s affluent.

I didn’t post about this yesterday because I had a question about the extent to which people fall into lower income brackets precisely because they are unemployed. Lose your job for a year, and there’s probably a decent chance you’ve gone from living in a household that makes $60,000 a year household to one that makes $30,000, right? Then that’s where you get counted as unemployed.

I emailed Andrew Sum and he wrote back:

The paper is based on family income including all other members of family and includes theoretically all cash transfers including unemployment insurance. It is true that a person who had a job a year ago and lost it and has no [unemployment insurance] coverage or other income can get pushed down to a much lower income but they are an overwhelming exception.

Then he said something else interesting:

We ran this model before the recession started and results show overwhelmingly that low income workers were far more adversely affected. There are few job losses at top.

In other words, even in good times unemployment hits people in lower income brackets harder. I imagine that might have to do with the prevalence of temporary and seasonal work.

UPDATE: Here is how the numbers compare between the fourth quarter of 2007 and the fourth quarter of 2009.

The current economic climate has certainly exacerbated the effect. And that is true not just for unemployment, but also for underemployment (people working part-time even though they’d rather be working full).

More from the report:

Workers in the lowest income households faced an underemployment rate of nearly 21%… The incidence of these underemployment problems also fell steadily and considerably as we move up the income distribution, dropping to 6.1% for workers in the fifth decile to 3.6% in the eighth decile and to a low of only 1.6% for those workers in the top decile of the income distribution. Employed workers in the lowest income decile were 13 times as likely to be underemployed as workers in the top decile of the nation’s income distribution in the fourth quarter of 2009. Again, workers at the bottom and top of the income ladder were encountering dramatically different labor market problems.

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  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Barbara. I wonder how numbers are affected by people still working but had to take pay cuts (or else) and people finding new full-time work but at much lower salaries.

  • doubleang

    Barbara, have they published the pre-recession model results they ran?

  • Barbara Kiviat

    @doubleang: I’m getting the data. Will update the post soon.

  • tillhernextcode

    The higher income brackets are the ones deciding to downsize, you don’t think they would cut their own jobs, do you?

  • odieo523

    It is important to note that while it appears at first glance that the lower two deciles have been hardest hit, I believe this merits further analysis. If you look at the percent increase in unemployment rates you can see a much more accurate picture of who has been impacted and at what levels. See my analysis:

    $12,160 or less: +67%
    $12,160 – $20,725: +78%
    $20,725 – $29,680: +104%
    $29,680 – $39,000: +117%
    $39,000 – $50,000: +125%
    $50,000 – $63,000: +110%
    $63,000 – $79,000: +94%
    $79,000 – $100,500: +108%
    $105,000 – $138,700: +100%
    $138,700 or more: +100%

    From this perspective you can see that not only were the hardest hit deciles between $29,680 and $50,000, but the lowest two deciles had the smallest increase in unemployment rates.

  • friedmanite

    This is very misleading not only because of what odieo523 pointed out above me, but because of the number of high income people who become unemployed is not equal to the number of high income earners who are COUNTED as unemployed for the purposes of the unemployment statistic. Not all people who are making that kind of money are attempting to enter the workforce again, as many have saved the resources to retire so they do not need to find another job, or at least not get back out hunting for one immediately. Most all people in the low income situations will immediately be looking for a job again and be counted as unemployed for the purpose of the statistic.

  • http://smorris88.wordpress.com smorris88

    I took a class that examined some of this information. This is something that is really true in all recessions/depressions. This was a reason given for getting a degree. Some really interesting data also comes from the employment statistics of people who just graduated from college and how much harder it is for them to find a job.

  • paganbarbarian

    I regret making a personal comment, but it’s incredible than anyone could be surprised by the statistics. It’s a columnist’s job to be a hysteric sensationalist, for which they are very well paid. A reasonable person could expect a blogger to show a little more common sense.

    Aside from the mathematical facts described by odieo523, it should be fairly obvious to everyone that income level is dictated by intelligence level. That’s what a distribution curve is, a graph of gradients. The trivial exceptions, such as people who’s income falls because they lost their job, are flagrantly meaningless. The subject of Bob Herbert’s column and this blog is the general, not the exceptional or the specific. The general is always hugely more important than all the exceptions combined. That’s why it’s the subject of every significant discussion. Trying to talk about exceptions is merely using the sneaky rhetorical trick of trying to change the subject.

    The people below average income are generally the same people who are below the average intelligence. Of course there are no jobs for them. Yes, below the average is 50 percent of the population. I will never understand how anyone could be surprised by this fact. Those jobs disappeared forever in the Knowledge Revolution. They are never coming back. We don’t need more family farmers and crop-pickers. We don’t need more truck drivers, waitresses and cleaning women.

    Please. Get it through your head. The jobs are gone. Forever. The unemployment rates we see today are the new normal. In global competition, no employer has any more spare cash for charity make-work jobs for the slow-witted poor and incompetent and lazy middle-class. Those people are now unemployable. Their children who inherited their intelligence and character are unemployable.

    Reality is not surprising. It is blatantly obvious. The sky is blue and grass is green, and those people are now permanently unemployed, for all future generations. Get used to it fast, before you lose your job.

  • ssp67047

    Barbara,

    Thanks for posting. Actually this isn’t too surprising. The folks at the top of the food chain are the ones firing, laying off and not hiring those at the bottom.

  • bacotawordpress

    These are interesting numbers, but …

    Unemployment insurance only replaces part of a person’s income, and then only for a (fairly) short period of time. I don’t see how unemployment can fail to push somebody into a lower bracket, which would skew the statistics.

    And of course there’s probably some confounding of supply and demand. If there’s a shortage of workers in a particular category, their salary will (theoretically) be higher *and* they will have an easier time finding a job.

  • Barbara Kiviat

    @paganbarbarian: Actually, a lot of job growth over the past 20 or so years has come from low-skill, low-wage retail trade jobs.

    @odieo523: Perhaps another way to get a more accurate picture of who has been impacted and at what levels is to look at the raw number of unemployed people. I divided the income distribution in two: the bottom half and the top half. Between the end of 2007 and the end of 2009, the bottom half went from having 4.1 million unemployed people to 8.5 million, while the top half went from having 1.9 million unemployed people to 3.8 million.

    @friedmanite: I get what you’re saying, although one thing to consider is that the pattern stays the same when you add in people who are working part-time (even though they’d like to be working full-time) and people who express a desire for immediate work but aren’t actively looking (and therefore aren’t counted as unemployed).

  • frangipanier123

    Your username is quite fitting (especially part 2 !). Being a good Christian, I sincerely wish you will never experiment unemployment …

  • doubleang

    lmao @ paganbarbarian

    “hysteric sensationalist” indeed. Your entire post is over the top sensationalism and fear induced commentary… not to mention your obvious ignorance with regards to social structure. The entire rant about being genetically predisposed to stupidity based on your parent’s income is absurd.

  • paganbarbarian

    Doubleang: You’re wrong, and your position is bigotry and prejudice. All the available evidence of fact contradicts you. What’s the point in being a liberalist if it means being unable to deal with biological fact? You might as well claim God told you I was incorrect, like the other respondent.

    Kiviat: You appear to be unaware that what you typed had no relation to what I typed. The subject is job loss, not job gain. That’s the difference between gross and net, if I need to pound on the obvious with a sledge hammer. What happened over the past 20 years is utterly irrelevant, which is why this topic is now being discussed. What just happened over the past two years is what’s important. A person talking about exceptions is merely indulging in the dishonest, deceitful trick of trying to change the subject. Some might be easily deceived, but a person trying that tacky, tawdry trick would need about another 30 IQ points to ever fool me.

  • frangipanier123

    After reading the additional shrill utterances of “paganbarbarian” about his/her IQ, I withdraw my earlier generous “Christian wish”: given that person’s obviously very low “Emotional I/Q”, I trust “paganbarbarian” (not a normal human being!) will definitely suffer a prolonged bout of unemployment in the not too distant future …

  • jimc1004

    All the hostility, even hatred, toward poor people here is interesting to me. I guess some people actually believe the mythology about all those poor [probably foreign or minority!] people buying houses they couldn’t afford being the cause of the Great Recession.

    I am the first person in my direct line to graduate from high school and went on to college and even finished part of an MBA before changing careers to Information Technology. I am 60 now and got laid off during the dot.com+Enron recession. My brother, who is a year younger and a high school graduate got laid off from his job as a hospital technician [so much for IT and health care being the careers for the 21st century!].

    For the 20 years I worked in IT it was normal to work 70 hour weeks and be on-call 24×7 [Gee, is THIS what it means to be "white collar"?], and be told you got paid for performance, while the company CEO cleared $300 Million in 5 years as his manglement drove the stock price down from $90/share to $10. I really don’t miss watching thousands of my co-workers lose their jobs and sometimes their homes or health, and seeing my stock shares lose most of their value until finally the company now no longer exists.

    The US is not a free market; corporate welfare and tax cuts for billionaires are part of a rigged financial system which funnels a greater and greater percentage of wealth into the hands of a tiny group of billionaire insiders. Such wealth inequality is not compatible with a democracy.

    We’ve been down this road before. The biggest difference is that the demagogues were all on the radio in the 1930s, when the New Deal saved capitalism – and the country from the totalitarianism to which Italy and Germany succumbed after the Depression.

    Anyone looking to scapegoat the poor should wake up before it is too late. I don’t care if you are highly educated or upper middle class, to the billionaire class that owns half of everything you are just the hired help and completely dispensable – just like the poor always have been!

  • qqi239

    jinc1004 and others

    I am really amazed that there so many trivial common sense things so widely misunderstood:

    1. All forms of welfare are corporate welfare: say if we introduce subsidized housing for janitors the result will be lower wager for janitorial workers.

    2. Good manufacturing jobs do exist in mass only in big, bad, water and air polluting corporations, run by greedy bastards.

    3. It is impossible to be slightly pregnant.

    4. We do not have knowledge revolution, we are dealing with long term impact of free trade regime being driven into ground by the freedom of currency manipulations and corporate income tax (the most idiotic of all taxes) – despite all good the things arising from the free trade it has to seriously re-evaluated.

    5. Even an illiterate person can operate a submachine gun.

    6. Submachine guns are cheap.

  • qqi239

    And one more thing, there is a light at the end of the tunnel:

    1. Earth population will reach its max in 40 years.

    2. India and China are last pools of low wage labor and they are drying quickly.

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