Driver’s licenses for the Internet, Part 2

The conversation about where to draw the line between privacy and security is as old as society itself. I didn’t mean to so forcefully insert myself into the middle of that debate when I wrote about a Microsoft executive ruminating on the possibility of driver’s licenses for the Internet. Alas, here I am. That original blog post is already one of the 15 most-read of all time on the Curious Capitalist (it warms my heart that the top post remains “What if oil weren’t priced in dollars?”), and I am being assailed up and down the Internet for backing what one commentator calls a “web ID system that would outstrip Communist Chinese style net censorship”—at times even being personally threatened.

And yet here I go again. More thoughts on driver’s licenses for the Internet.

First, a recap: about a week ago I attended a panel discussion entitled “Securing Cyberspace.” Panelists included the CEO of a company that routes about 20% of all Web traffic, the head of the U.N. agency for information technology, a U.S. Senator and member of the Committee on Homeland Security, the CEO of a Swiss company that does security work for digital media, and Microsoft’s head of research and strategy. It was the sort of group you’d expect to be sure-footed on a topic like cyber security, and yet the panelists were visibly on edge. Cyber attacks—whether from individual fraudsters, organized cyber gangs, or nation-states undertaking espionage—are getting exponentially worse, they said. Protection, let alone retaliation, is incredibly complicated by the fact that even moderately sophisticated attacks can be difficult to impossible to trace. Yes, computers have IP addresses but crooks don’t use their computers, they remotely hijack yours.

Since the baseline anonymity of the Internet provides refuge to so much criminal activity and spying, one way of starting to tackle those problems, suggested Microsoft bigwig Craig Mundie, would be to take away some of that anonymity. Hence driver’s licenses for the Internet.

As careful readers can tell you, I did not endorse driver’s licenses for the Internet. I think it’s a fascinating construct, but the idea as expressed by Mundie and repeated by me is not much more than a sound bite. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to know the details and logistics of an idea before I come out with a strong opinion about it. I’ve been trying to get back in touch with Mundie to have that conversation—to have it explained to me how, exactly, licensure keeps my home computer and bank account safe from cyber criminals while at the same time preserving my civil liberties (not to mention those of Iranian dissidents). Unfortunately, we haven’t been able to catch up with each other and the best I’ve been able to do is peruse this Microsoft white paper (PDF) about establishing trust on the Internet. It says some comforting things—e.g., “Any regime should not only seek to provide greater authentication to those that want to provide it or consume it, but also provide anonymity for those who wish to engage in anonymous activities”—but leaves me with plenty of questions.

To be clear, I’m not saying that more Internet transparency is necessarily a bad idea either. One of the most jarring moments at that panel came amid a discussion about the possibility of international cooperation in going after cyber threats. Some U.S. officials in the room pointed out that a large stumbling block to any such effort would be the U.S.’s own intelligence agencies, which have a vested interest in the Internet’s anonymity. As my colleague Mark Thompson recently wrote:

What U.S. officials don’t like to acknowledge is that the Pentagon is hard at work developing an offensive cyber capability of its own… The Air Force wants the ability to burrow into any computer system anywhere in the world “completely undetected.” It wants to slip computer code into a potential foe’s computer and let it sit there for years, “maintaining a ‘low and slow’ gathering paradigm” to thwart detection.

Internet anonymity helps enable free speech, that is true. But it also helps enable plenty of other things, like espionage and crime. We’ve long talked about how mass anonymity online breeds a lack of civility. The tech-review site Engadget recently had to turn off its comments because the tone had grown so “mean, ugly, pointless, and frankly threatening.” Cyber bullying is another example of what anonymity inculcates. Here is a story about some kids who have killed themselves as a result.

My point is simply this: the issue of anonymity on the Internet has many dimensions. That’s why I was floored by the almost entirely one-note, vitriolic response to my original post. Yes, a few voices presented other opinions. One commenter said that more accountability would help keep our children safer. Another pointed out the benefits to honest commerce.

But overall the reaction was much closer to emotional than to reasoned, perhaps an example of what Net pioneer-turned-worry-wart Jaron Lanier calls hive thinking. Contemplating the extent to which the Internet  should remain anonymous is, to me, a fascinating endeavor. But maybe the anonymous Internet isn’t the place to do it.

Related Topics: Craig Mundie, Internet driver's licenses, Technology & Media
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  • augmentedfifth

    Ben Franklin’s words on the matter:
    “Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”

    I’m growing tired of our growing national sentiment that it’s worth it to sacrifice freedom for safety. We need to accept the fact that there is a cost to freedom. That is, personal responsibility, civic duty and, yes, some measures of increased vulnerability.

    We have to realize that, just like in “real life”, going out on our own into the world (the internet) involves exposing ourselves to risk. We should recognize this and proactively prepare ourselves. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out how to spot CC# phishing e-mails, fake sites, online hucksters and predators. Our parent’s teach us these lessons as children so that we can avoid them in the “real world”. The internet should be no different.

    Painting internet IDs or “licensing” as a consumer benefit or “necessary protection” from terrorists, child predators, etc is a LIE. Corporate interests, lawyers and the Government are the ones with the most to gain. Free speech will be lost in a mire of frivolous libel and slander lawsuits while the door to police-statism is opened to destroy any form political dissent.

    Sure, all of that stuff sounds extreme and reactionary. I do realize that I risk sounding like a “the sky is falling” nut-job. But, the slope IS slippery and the kinds of changes that have the potential to kill a healthy democracy have a way of infiltrating mainstream ideology largely unnoticed.

    We have to either step-up and accept the responsibilities that come with “being a grownup” and not having “mommy watch over us and kiss our boo-boos” or accept that that “mommy’s price” is a curfew, “My house. My rules.” and ” I don’t need a reason. I know what’s best for you”. I already made that choice once and I’m happy with it…so did our founding fathers.

  • deconstructiva

    Barbara, after reading this + post #1 again, sorry to read the vitriol at #1. I also thought, “Welcome to swampland.” You should see the daily reader replies at Tumulty / Sullivan’s blog (the reporters are not to blame). Hopefully there are more polite ways to raise page hits. It’s too bad your jobless recovery post isn’t #1 most-read.
    .
    I agree with privacy issues and doubt this idea will work. Even IP tracing has flaws as you’ve noted. However, outside of China or Iran, etc. with genuine govt. / privacy issues, I suspect that in everyday life most net anonymity masks / enables rude behavior …let alone hacking but I digress. Are blogs with real user ID’s on file somewhat more civil? It’s harder to keep trolling / ranting when webmasters can contact one directly at home in the basement. Thanks for your great work here.

  • Barbara Kiviat

    Thanks, deconstructiva. The Curious Capitalist has a fantastically thoughtful readership. I’ve often noticed differences elsewhere. It’s an interesting question you raise about blogs that require real IDs– I wonder if anyone has done a study.

  • augmentedfifth

    “It’s harder to keep trolling / ranting when webmasters can contact one directly at home in the basement.”

    That is true. However, If a webmaster can can contact one directly at home then so can a LOT of other people and organizations.

    “I suspect that in everyday life most net anonymity masks / enables rude behavior …let alone hacking but I digress.”

    Yes, but they also allow truth and opinion that may otherwise go unheard. For example: the situation in Iran. Or, closer to home: (please look through the politics of this example) Marijuana legalization and the drug war. Many normal folks and especially politicians are afraid to even question the assumption that all drugs are horrible for society. They fear social and political backlash for even questioning established “dogma”. Mass media has homogenized our political culture. Internet anonymity has enabled ideas, otherwise marginalized by popular culture, to have a voice. Come on! Questioning assumptions is part of sound reasoning…but somehow, our society fights it tooth-and-nail.

    I’ll accept the fact that I may have to ignore some idiots in order to have exposure to the FULL SPECTRUM of human ideas. We’ve gotta take the good with the bad otherwise we’re just throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    BTW: The “thumbs-up/thumbs-down” method employed in a lot of “Comments” sections seems to work fairly well. Usually the spiteful, vitriolic and mean-spirited posts are hidden rather quickly.

  • doubleang

    Definitely a good point about the blogs. My personal experience shows that even the blogs and forums I follow that dont require actual identification, where people are part of a community and post pictures of themselves (athletic forums, etc) definitely puts limits on trolling and sensationalistic statements. (even when you get the sense that they might do so otherwise). Though not a blog, FB seems to impose social mores and limit these sorts of statements as well.

  • curmudgeon57

    You might be surprised about requiring real user IDs for any blog. I recently got a gmail account for a fictional character of mine without having to give any information about myself. I can now use that as ID for other online services. Granted, Google can still track me by my IP address, but I could have gotten the email address from a public computer, or hid the IP address in other ways.

    I think that civility on the Internet depends to some extent on the subject matter. I regret that you’ve received threats. I am old enough to remember when you had to say offensive things to a person’s face, or not say them at all. That is a wonderful check on offensive behavior. As for the blog, you may have to consider moderating posts to keep certain discussions civil.

    Barbara, thanks for calling me a careful reader. You may be the only one who thinks I am careful about anything I do.

  • bacotawordpress

    I guess I don’t see this discussion as anything new. The Internet is anonymous because it was designed to be anonymous, it is anonymous because our usual means of authentication (picture ID’s) are not (yet) available.

    If biometric authentication were widely available, would we use it? I would jump at the chance to have access to my financial accounts biometrically protected, but wouldn’t post here if I had to pass a biometric check. So I think it’s pretty plain that different levels of authentication are appropriate for different purposes.

    But the internet as it is now doesn’t give us much separation. If I use good strong biometric authentication to access my bank account from my laptop, and then go to a gaming site that infects that same laptop with a trojan horse, I might be kidding myself.

    Anyway, the point is that I think the problems we have are purely technical. The Internet isn’t very secure because we don’t yet have the means to make it so — and when we do have the means it will have to be used correctly.

  • joeinatlanta

    In regard to the Ben Franklin quote in post #1: “Liberty” is not a synonym for “lack of privacy.” “Liberty” describes what you can do. “Privacy” describes who knows that you’re doing it.

    Generally, I would put my politics at the extreme left of the political spectrum. But I fall out with many who otherwise share my views because (as I perceive it) they fail to understand that there is not a necessary, nor a direct, correlation between “lack of privacy” and “totalitarianism.”

    I am indeed a fan of the Ben Franklin quote (as Franklin wrote it, not as presented here). But I’m also a fan of the Audre Lourde quote, “Your silence will not protect you.”

    Whenever there is a threat to liberty in this country, we need to fight it fiercely and in the open, not by hiding in the shadows.

  • augmentedfifth

    “Whenever there is a threat to liberty in this country, we need to fight it fiercely and in the open, not by hiding in the shadows.”

    This is true. However, it presupposes that the freedom to do such already exists. If the realm of public discourse were free of coercion and the use of force that would always be a viable approach. Unfortunately, it’s not. On the surface it appears free because acts of force and aggression are not manifested in physical violence perpetrated directly by people. Rather, market forces, public policy and mass-media influenced popular culture effectively silence the voices of Liberty routinely.

    Unpopular, creative and new ideas that are often labeled as “fringe” or extreme need a safe breeding ground. Our civilization has a historically xenophobic streak that constantly seeks to reject new ideas in favor of moderation and “sensibility”. However, that trend is at odds with having a vibrant “marketplace of ideas” and the general intellectual consensus that new ideas, creativity and independent thought are good things. So, I argue that the internet and it’s anonymity is an invaluable incubation chamber for the advancement of thought and offers protection from the ever changing tides of populism.

  • azmaveth

    Liberty and privacy are closely related. Privacy necessitates the liberty to remain anonymous. It would be intriguing to hear what Ben Franklin would have to say about a society in which everyone went about in public wearing masks & hoods. Such anonymity was likely necessary to pull off the Boston Tea Party, where participants dressed as Mohawk Indians, but was courageously eschewed in the Declaration of Independence. Surely, King George would have had an easier time keeping us under his thumb had we been rendered unable to mill about in public in disguise.
    Let’s start with the presumption that we, the people, have all rights intact until we surrender some of those rights to government in some sort of social contract. What part of the U.S. Constitution permits the federal government to forcibly extract our identities? Even the Constitution’s mention of a census mentions mere enumeration, not today’s interrogations on occupation, race, or marital status. The SCOTUS has already ruled that we have no right at all to refuse to identify ourselves when arrested–a pretty clear confluence of liberty and privacy. That ruling stands as an audacious contempt for the 10th Amendment.

  • andysinger

    Unfortunately this idea is like a perennial that needs to be an annual that dies off. Online is not to comparable to roads and ensuring one is licensed. Besides how successful has the driver’s license modality been–one needs only drive in most any metropolitan area to realize the theater of a driver’s license does not correlate to better drivers or less accidents.

  • azmaveth

    Okay, but the issue is about identification. I think it’s hard to deny that requiring all drivers to have a license has facilitated identification of criminal suspects, just as requiring drivers to submit to a field sobriety test can help get drunk drivers off the road.

    Perhaps this is a false dichotomy, to suggest the Internet either should or should not be regulated by identification standards. Alongside many urban streets, you’ll find sidewalks which require no license or even liability insurance to use. This is primarily because even unskilled walkers can do little harm using a sidewalk. Maybe we ought to carve out some of the parts of the Internet that have the most potential for harm & use identification requirements only for those particular functions. Make some distinction between general use & licensed use on our information highways.

  • vancedecker

    What qualifies Barbara Kiviat to write about Internet and technology related issues?

    Nothing.

    But that has not stopped her, or Newsweek from propagating her ignorant “man of the street” views about Internet policy.

    Of course a Microsoft executive would complain about the Internet. Their ridiculously insecure operating system is the problem, not the Internet.

    …but of course Barbara wouldn’t know that, because she is only interested in defending her paternalistic ‘regulate everything’ view of reality.

  • shawn32

    Seems to me that the good guys are thus far losing these cyber wars, and their response is to assert some level of control. At least, to within their ability.

    Already they claim unable to trace past the hijacked IP address. How would a license system solve that problem? If a licensed Internet user remotely hijacked an IP address and then committed a cyber crime, what then? The sytem is a failure?

    What it would no doubt succeed to be is an unwelcome intrusion. I also admire Ben Franklin’s famous quote.

    My point, or really my question, is how would that sytem prevent cyber crime? The prevention of crime can be the only attempt at an argument to justify such a system. Without that, the discussion ends.

  • https://maninblackreviews.wordpress.com The Man in Black

    I didn’t reply to the first one, but at this point I’m required to fully back both your concrete position (that of merely a reporter of facts) and your general position (the vague opinion of a need for regulation).

    I’m also of the opinion that the internet is doing it to itself. When I log into WordPress, I am now logged onto places I have never visited- this also allows me freer expression than if I had never created a WP account. It also prevents me from creating a false identity on TIME and using it to harass you. I have accounts on several social networking sites and messengers; the point of my having and using so many of them is that they are all linked- my email address becomes my identity and I am identifiable despite different usernames. A universal account run through Google or MSN is not far off.

  • https://maninblackreviews.wordpress.com The Man in Black

    This comment sounds like a reply to the title, as it’s completely irrelevant to anything in the article.

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