Wait a second, is this a recovery or isn’t it?

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This morning the Conference Board became the latest economy-watching group to call an end to recession. As you can see in the graph above, its index of leading economic indicators—which includes things like stocks prices, building permits and manufacturers’ orders—increased for the fourth month in a row. Its index of coincident economic indicators—such as industrial production, personal income and manufacturing sales—held flat, the first time it didn’t slide since October 2008. The group’s economists think that index will be turning positive before we know it.

And yet the jobs market—the way people most feel a recession—is showing renewed weakness. In another data release this morning, the Labor Department reported that weekly jobless claims are heading back up. That’s something of a surprise to economists, who broadly thought the figure would be lower.

For the week ending Aug. 15, initial claims for unemployment insurance came in at 576,000, up from 561,000 the week before. Since that weekly number jumps around a lot, it’s good to look at a four-week moving average. That grew, too, hitting 570,000 weekly claims, up from 565,750. Continuing claims also edged up (as of Aug. 8), though the four-week moving average fell slightly.

What gives? Well, to put those jobs numbers into context, consider that in a healthy economy there are normally 325,000 or fewer initial claims a week. We’re obviously a long way from that sort of figure. But on the upside, initial claims are holding below 600,000, which is one of those psychologically significant Dow 10,000 sorts of numbers. For the entire first half of 2009, we were above the 600,000 threshold. The first week of July we fell below it, and even though there’s been a little bouncing around, we haven’t recrossed that mark.

Does that mean the jobs numbers aren’t as bad as they look? Certainly not for the people being laid off. This could simply be an indication that we’re heading for yet another jobless recovery. That’s what the folks at the San Francisco Fed, among others, have been saying.

And that makes me wonder—if this is going to be our third jobless recovery in a row (1992 kicked off the trend)—what exactly we mean anymore when we talk about “economic recovery.” If having more jobs, and ones that pay livable salaries, isn’t one of the conditions for proclaiming economic health, then I’m not sure I completely understand what conversation we’re having.

Barbara!

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  • tegwar

    Isn’t there some quote or phrase (famous outside of my own head) about ‘I don’t think that word means what you think it means’?

    A growing economy gives you more national wealth which *could* be used to compensate those who continue to lose their jobs during the ‘recovery’. That is a key difference between growth (a recovery) and a contraction, when helping the less fortunate is an increasing burden. And we probably cut ourselves too easy a task by saying that could happen (whether it does or not) and cheering on the recovery.

  • tanboontee

    Lately, my left ear has received lots of news regarding the imminent economic revival, while my right ear is equally heavily bombarded by voices revealing the faulty assumptions to the road of recovery.

    Each school based its argument on certain facts that purportedly support what it advocates. As I see it, both schools are right and wrong at the same time.

    There seems to be no definite criteria sound enough to prove the correctness of each argument. Economics involves far too many parameters, often flimsy in nature. Unless and until there is a consensus of which parameters actually determine the strength and health of the economy, we might be just probing or speculating.

    Perhaps only time can tell.
    (Tan Boon Tee, btt1943)

  • tc125231

    This comment is idiotic, and has nothing to do with the post. Once again, trolls demonstrate an inability to process information.

  • tc125231

    Krugman has a good post on this. By current definitions, recessions are over when GDP goes up. The GDP is going up. Thus the recession is over.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/some-call-it-recovery/

    The problem is that the definitions were created in a time when GDP going up meant increased employment. Arguably, this is no longer the case, since the phenomenon discussed occurred also in the previous two recessions.

    Apparently, we need new terminology, or at least need to revise its meaning.

  • dfnj2009

    The dollar is collapsing. Our human nature of uncontrollable greed continue’s to rage. Will our economy recovery? I don’t think so. All our manufacturing jobs have been shipped to China, all our computer jobs have been outsourced to India, and illegals are hired at depressed wages through sub-contracting for everything else.

    This graph shows why our economy collapsed:
    http://www.epi.org/webfeatures/econindicators/income_20080826_figure1_600.gif

    I think the value of the dollar is directly proportional to the strength of the middle class. What our economy needs is drastic delfation. Or, the median worker’s wage needs to double. I doubt very much the CEOs will see raising workers wages in their enlightened self-interest. How much a company’s products and services are worth is directly proportional to the consumer’s purchasing power.

    Well, until the purchasing power of the median wage adjusted for inflation goes positive, CEOs will be forced to pay heavy exchange rate tax when they travel to Europe and other foreign countries.

    But don’t worry, we can take solace in the idea that as soon as the Chinese stop pegging their Yuan to the dollar ALL our CEO jobs will be outsourced!

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