An entirely too self-referential post about media clouds and Swedish bank rescues

Patricia Cohen has an interesting story in today’s NYT about Media Cloud, a very cool-sounding system designed by some folks at Harvard’s Berkman Center for Internet & Society (including my old friend Yochai Benkler) to track the flow of topics and ideas through the media. This passage bothered me a just little, though:

Using some of the database’s more specialized tools, Mr. Benkler investigated who first floated the idea for a temporary takeover of the financial system by the government, as was done in Sweden in the 1990s. Paul Krugman, a columnist for The New York Times, first raised the idea in September 2008, but it was a cluster of influential economic and political bloggers like Brad DeLong and Matthew Yglesias who kept the idea alive. After the subject disappeared for a couple of months, the bloggers then resurrected it early this year as Washington began discussing the details of a bank rescue plan.

That’s not quite how it happened. There was a genuine (if low-profile) media discussion of a Swedish-style bank rescue back in March 2008. I know because I participated in it—as did Krugman. It started on March 14 with a report right here at the Curious Capitalist of a speech by current Bank of Sweden Governor Stefan Ingves, who as a Finance Ministry bureaucrat in the early 1990s had been one of the masterminds of Sweden’s successful bank job. A couple days later economist David Rosenberg, then at Merrill Lynch, made a far more forceful case than I had for doing things the Swedish way. Then Krugman weighed in on my post about Rosenberg, saying it all sounded interesting but the price tag could be in the vicinity of $850 billion. Then, in a post I remain inordinately proud of, I responded:

[A]n $850 billion price tag attached to a cleanup that resolves most of the current credit problems, wipes out the shareholders of insolvent institutions, and leaves us with a more rational regulatory setup (as the Swedish bailout seems to have done) actually sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

A couple weeks after that, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reported in the Telegraph that:

The US Federal Reserve is examining the Nordic bank nationalisations of the 1990s as a possible interim solution to the US financial crisis.

This got a fair amount of attention. Somewhere along the line, journalists also began discovering a June 2007 Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland paper by economist O. Emre Ergungor titled “On the Resolution of Financial Crises: The Swedish Experience” (pdf). And I’m sure I’m missing some other early episodes of Swedophilia.

But as markets calmed down in the aftermath of the Bear Stearns collapse/rescue/takeover, the issue faded from view. In early September, a couple of Swedish officials—Bo Lundgren and Lars Hörngren—came to New York to speak at a conference on “How to Tackle A Financial Crisis: The Case of Sweden in the 1990s.” They stopped by TIME beforehand to chat (because, they said, they’d been reading my blog posts on Sweden), and said that up then the American response to the crisis hadn’t been all that bad:

“The drastic actions taken in Sweden were with a concern that all the banks were about to go bust,” said Hörngren. “That’s clearly not the case in the U.S. … You cannot draw that strong a parallel to the Swedish situation yet.”

“Hopefully never,” Lundgren added.

Less than a week later, Lehman failed and it did start to look as if all the banks in the U.S. (and Europe) were about to go bust. That gave discussions of the Swedish solution a relevance and importance that they hadn’t had before—meaning that Krugman bringing up the subject that month was important and influential in a way that earlier media mentions had not been. So in trying to track the news life cycle, Benkler isn’t wrong to begin there. He just misses the gestation.

Update: Yochai Benkler e-mails to say that the reason Media Cloud didn’t catch the gestation of the Swedish-bank-takeover meme in March 2008 was that Media Cloud didn’t exist yet. But he puts it more entertainingly than that:

I wish my answer was “oh, we knew about this and discounted it because it was too early in the cycle to be relevant to the recession fighting debate.”  Instead it is: when you were writing this, Ethan [Zuckerman] and I were sitting in the Berkman Center conference room needling each other about whether the blogosphere is an echo chamber or a source of agenda setting interventions, and decided that this was actually an answerable question, if we had the right tools.

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  • donthelibertariandemocrat

    I believe that I first heard of the Swedish Plan reading your posts. Unfortunately, Google has deleted my old posts on my blog where I stored posts and comments, so I’m reconstructing my thoughts. Because of your posts, I took serious notice of this post:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/business/worldbusiness/23krona.html

    That led me to finding this:

    http://www.kc.frb.org/publicat/sympos/1997/pdf/s97backs.pdf

    Although I remember reading it somewhere else. This article was a major influence on me, because it mentioned the S & L Crisis and Fisher’s Debt Deflation, both of which I had read a lot about, but hadn’t connected so clearly to this crisis. After reading that essay, I felt that I had a much clearer grasp of what we were facing.

    Prior to reading this essay, my opinion was that the govt had implicitly guaranteed everything, and that guarantee would be effective in avoiding a panic or major run on any assets. Boy was I wrong.

    But you were clearly the first person that I remember reading on this. I also began posting on economics blogs after reading that essay, since it didn’t seem that these ideas were being seriously considered. By the way, after that essay, I read this:

    http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm

    That’s what’s great about blogs. They lead you to read other sources, many of which are so readily available now on the internet. It’s been a revelation to me.

    This all assumes that I have a decent memory.

  • http://twitter.com/justinmicklefox Justin Fox

    @donthelibertariandemocrat: Irving Fisher! Swedes! It’s so great to have someone else around with the same weird interests that I have.

  • donthelibertariandemocrat

    Justin,

    I’ve also noticed that you were ahead of the curve in appreciating Fisher’s relevance for this crisis. I think that prescience explains why so many people have been drawn to your book.

    Take care,

    Don

  • elghannam

    Lt.Col . Elghannma wrote,

    Why Swedish banks instead of Swiss banks,Because Isreal & Swiss banks involved in steal organs and money’s Laundry .

    Since Swiss Banks:

    1. Deal in Bloody Money.
    2. Exposed the Clients’ Names and Accounts to protect
    themselves, so Swiss banks lost the Secrecy.
    So,
    I believe the world must keep his money in Sweden.
    Sweden as Honest, Humanity Place and clean Banks

    See,Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs.

    A leading Swedish newspaper reported this week that Israeli soldiers are abducting Palestinians in order to steal their organs.

    .Boström’s article makes a link to the recent exposure of an alleged crime syndicate in New Jersey,Isreal & Switzerland..

    The syndicate includes several American rabbis, and one Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, who faces charges of conspiring to broker the sale of a human kidney for a transplant.

    Also, U.S. Attorney Ralph Marra Jr. said at a news conference:
    “The rings were international in scope, connected to Deal, N.J., Brooklyn, Israel and Switzerland”

    So,The Swedish Banks must be our choice now, we cannot eat bloody money or we cannot provid our money to Switzerland to use in bloody laundry process.

    Also the scandal of UBS Swiss bank is additional factor to be far from Swiss banks after they exposed the client’s names to USA to protect themselves, so where the secrecy of our accounts in the Swiss banks.

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