Publicly traded investment banks = big mistake

Scott Minerd, a former big-cheese investment banker at Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse who now runs Guggenheim Partners Asset Management, isn’t a big fan of today’s investment banks. He made this clear a couple times this morning at a Milken Instutute Global Conference discussion on Private Versus Publicly Held Financial Institutions: Which Are Best Positioned? (Minerd wasn’t on the panel, but the moderator works for him and kept calling on him, clearly because she knew he’d say more provocative things than the other panelists, most of whom were mutual insurance company executives.)

Here’s Minerd on the rise of leverage on Wall Street:

I worked at Morgan Stanley a number of years. I was a partner, left in 1994. … At that time Morgan Stanley ran a balance sheet with 10-12X leverage. … They thought that was aggressive. By the time we got to the last decade, 30X leverage was the norm, and that includes only stuff on balance sheet.

Why’d that happen?

The drive to get stock price up became so overwhelmingly important … A lot of what went on on Wall Street was playing with shareholders’ money to benefit executives … It becomes especially suspect when the largest partnership in country becomes public and the CEO of company becomes Treasury Secretary to avoid tax liabilities.

Finally, as for the supposed increased access to capital that being publicly traded gives a company:

The idea that public companies have better access to capital is illusory. They have better access to capital 10 days of the year. Maybe 10 days of the decade, the way things are looking.

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  • sulliclm

    Hey Justin – this is pretty interesting, and I tend to agree with this guy’s comments that things were better under the old partnership model. Did they talk about the feasability of this actually happening? I’m sure there are some people at the banks that probably would like to avoid the coming regulatory storm for public financials, but I don’t know how a Goldman or MS would even go about becoming a partnership again, seems like it would be tough to put the genie back into the bottle so to speak. At least not without a bunch of executives effectively taking on a massive amount of debt…

  • Justin Fox

    @sulliclm: That was the problem with the panel. It was all these insurance company guys and the subject of the investment banks only came up when Minerd brought it up. But it’s something I’m very interested in and plan to keep asking around about.

  • previouslyjustlindas

    @Justin – please do keep asking about it because this is the kind of discussion we need as it’s about structural change in the financial sector. Can partnerships become corrupted institutions? The answer is undoubtedly yes based on my understanding of the way many large law firms operate, but at least in theory lawyers can’t escape liability for the malfeasance. I do think this type of structural change would be an effective (although imperfect) practical check on behavior. I also think this is the type of structural change the government should be able to get in exchange for certain things. For instance, if Goldman wants to repay TARP money, than they have to change their legal structure and return to a partnership format for the government to agree.

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