Is “neoconservative” on its way to becoming the new “liberal”?

Economist Brad DeLong, as part of his long-running campaign to persuade the world that journalists are flawed (and many are; unlike academic economists, who are right about everything and also smell great!), had a post Saturday tearing into the Economist for allegedly mischaracterizing the neoconservative movement. Brad apparently thinks Daniel Moynihan and Daniel Bell weren’t neoconservatives, while Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol were. He writes:

This isn’t rocket science people. This intellectual history isn’t hard to get straight–if you care, and if you try.

My background in this particular chapter of intellectual history is limited to having read, long ago, Norman Podhoretz’s Making It and Sidney Blumenthal’s Rise of the Counterestablishment, but it seems like Brad has even less of a grounding in this stuff than I do. The neocons were lefty, urban intellectuals who became disillusioned in the 1960s with the Great Society and the anti-war movement. They were “mugged by reality,” as Podhoretz put it. Bell, Kristol and Podhoretz were all card-carrying neocons. Moynihan strikes me as a more complicated case, but he was writing for Kristol’s and Bell’s The Public Interest and it’s certainly not wrong to label him a neoconservative.

Sure, later on, Bell and Moynihan went in different directions than Kristol and Podhoretz (they also didn’t have sons who made careers of stomping loudly in their fathers’ footsteps). But the Economist‘s claim that neoconservatism began “as a critique of the arrogance of power” has far more basis in historical fact than Brad’s definition of the movement. He says that “real neoconservatives” combined extreme foreign policy hawkishness with supply-side economics and a belief “that African-Americans got too easy a ride in modern America, and needed to be made poorer and less powerful.” As intellectual history, this is dubious (most of the neocons didn’t care about economics, and I don’t think it’s fair to say that their anti-affirmative-action tendencies meant that they wanted blacks to be “poorer and less powerful”). But as political rhetoric, it may turn out out be brilliant.

Basically, Brad is defining neoconservatism as everything about American politics over the past 30 years that he didn’t like. Which is, you might remember, how conservatives began defining “liberalism” back in the late 1970s–with great success, mind you. So just you wait: Pretty soon, Republicans will start getting railroaded out of office for being “neocons.” This will, in most individual cases, be entirely unfair. But it will also be kinda funny.

Update: Brad DeLong has a comment in which he makes pretty clear that my crack that “it seems like Brad has even less of a grounding in this stuff than I do” was unfair. I still think that, by removing Bell and Moynihan from the neocon storyline and throwing the supply siders and racists in, he’s trying to define neoconservatism to match his own political dislikes. But the Kristol family is certainly helping him: the link Brad gives to William Kristol’s essay appears to be broken, but I came across an Irving Kristol essay on the “Neoconservative Persuasion” in which the senior Mr. K lists “cutting tax rates in order to stimulate steady economic growth” as a key neocon policy. (Although he quickly adds, “This policy was not invented by neocons, and it was not the particularities of tax cuts that interested them…”) I can testify that Jude Wanniski, Mr. Supply Side himself, despised the neocons. But he was a pretty quirky fellow.

Update 2: Brad DeLong … aww, just read the comments.

Update 3: It has, to adopt the terminology of commenter CMike, gone past the first round. (Not that I’d say I’m winning or anything.)

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  • paul_lukasiak

    Justin, while the Economist may be correct in the “origins” of the neocon movement, its like talking about the origins of Stalinism which had its roots in utopian visions of material and social equality.

    The fundamental point of the neo-con is its extreme REACTIONARY nature — its basically a form of political schizophrenia. Far leftists saw stuff they didn’t like in the left, and rather than MODERATE their positions, they created a “movement” that was in opposition to everything that people they had previously agreed with stood for.

  • Terrapin

    Justin – I agree with everythig p_luk said.

    I would only add that you cannot talk about Neocons without mentioning Leo Strauss and Trotsky. A quick Google ought to explain why.

  • Justin Fox

    Don’t really disagree with either of you, but I still think neoconservatism was mainly about being tough on the Russkies and tough on crime. Then, after both those battles were more or less won, some younger remnants of the movement regrouped around the whole Project for a New American Century platform of pre-emptive military action. Yet I see a lot of people–not just DeLong–using the term these days to describe pretty much everything about the political right that they don’t like.

    Oh, and two more things: Leo Strauss! Leon Trotsky!

  • paul_lukasiak

    so you’re basic objection to Brad’s post was his mentioning Israel/Palestine policy (I’d be willing to bet that the early neo-cons did take the position Brad says they did), and had economic proposals different from those Brad describes (that’s a possibility.)

    Because the rest of his description of the origin neocons is all about Russia, a bigger military, and ….

    well, maybe you were still too young, but “Law and Order” was Wallace/GOP code for “keep those negros under our thumb”.

  • Brad DeLong

    Ummmm…

    I did talk to Daniel Bell about this–and to Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

    Bell’s line was that Kristol and Podhoretz came to the Public Interest from a different place than he did, and that in the 1970s they took it to a place where he didn’t want to be–that in Bell’s view the right mission was to improve and enhance post-WWII American Cold-War Great-Society liberalism, while Kristol and Podhoretz wanted to destroy it.

    Moynihan said that he had flirted with what became “neoconservatism,” especially during his stint at the UN, but only flirted with it–that he had never gone all the way.

    Nathan Glazer, if I remember the story right–was it Jeff Weintraub’s story?–characterized himself in the mid 1980s as a recovering neoconservative, on a 12-step program.

    IIRC, the abandonment of Bell-Moynihan “we must cross the river step-by-step by feeling for the stones with our feet” for today’s Kristol-Podhoretz-Kagan idiocies came rather swiftly in the late 1970s, when the _Public Interest_ and its ilk endorsed Laffer, Team B, Begin and Sharon, and Reagan in one big package.

    Do take a look at http://delong.typepad.com/pdf/20061226_Kristol_American_Conservatism.pdf: William Kristol’s retrospective on neoconservatism. IIRC, Bell and Moynihan each appear once, each time pleading for analytical modesty. They are not the central players

  • paul_lukasiak

    “I did talk to Daniel Bell about this–and to Daniel Patrick Moynihan. ”

    ohmigawd…. is like that Marshall McLulan moment in Annie Hall! ;)

  • Brad DeLong

    Justin–

    Thanks…

    Time’s software is adding a final colon to the url in my previous post, which is breaking it. http://delong.typepad.com/pdf/20061226_Kristol_American_Conservatism.pdf works…

    As for the supply-side, you might take a look at John Ehrman’s take, at http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_jewish_history/v087/87.2ehrman.html . Of Irving Kristol, Ehrman writes, I believe accurately: “By 1975, however, concern with what he saw as the continuing anti-capitalist influence of the New Left as well as America’s deteriorating economic performance led him to publish Jude Wanniski’s “The Mundell-Laffer Hypothesis–A New View of the World Economy,” which proved to be the beginning of the Public Interest’s promotion of supply side economics.”

    The *Public Interest* was a really big booster of supply-side economics in the late 1970s–a thing for which Irving Kristol half-apologized in the mid 1990s, writing of his own “cavalier attitude toward the budget deficit…. The task, as I saw it, was to create a new majority, which evidently would mean a conservative majority, which came to mean, in turn, a Republican majority – so political effectiveness was the priority, not the accounting deficiencies of government.” Papering over the split between balanced-budget Republicans (who were horrified of deficit-creating tax cuts) and tax cut Republicans (who couldn’t care a fig for the long run) was a task that supply-side economics could perform, and so Kristol embraced it–not because he thought it was right (that word “cavalier”) but because it was “politically effective.”

    Do remember: Daniel Bell was off the Public Interest masthead after 1972, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan would always bite if provoked by being called any form of “conservative”…

    One thing I don’t understand is the neoconservatives’ descent into Straussianism–such views as the belief that fundamentalist Christianity should be encouraged because it is good for other people to believe in it…

  • Brad DeLong

    And another passage from Irving Kristol: “Though the educational establishment would rather die that admit it, multiculturalism is a desperate — and surely self-defeating — strategy for coping with the educational deficiencies, and associated social pathologies, of young blacks. Did these black students and their problems not exists, we would hear little of multiculturalism.” ["Neo-Conservativism, The Autobiography of an Idea, Selected Essays 1949-1995"]

  • CMike

    About Justin Fox

    [He's] the business and economics columnist for Time.

    About Dr. Brad DeLong

    He’s a highly respected blogger among those in the reality based community.

    When they read “but it seems like Brad has even less of a grounding in this stuff than I do” was there anyone who thought this would go past the first round?

  • dave p

    “But the Economist’s claim that neoconservatism began ‘as a critique of the arrogance of power’ has far more basis in historical fact than Brad’s definition of the movement.”

    Does it? Neoconservatism may have attacked particular uses of public power, but surely a relatively fearless take on state action as such was what distinguished them from traditionalists in the first place.

    Conservatism may have anti-statist roots, But neoconservatism’s are different. Imagining the past decade as a mere lapse from a pristine “true” neoconservatism seems a case of cutting the movement more slack than it deserves.

  • IMU

    Mr. Fox,

    Thanks for engaging with the community and your critics. Being willing to listen and defending your positions (and, importantly, conceding when you are wrong) can only strenghten your thinking and writing. Please keep it up.

    -IMU

  • dave p

    Luckily I grabbed the Kristol pdf before it failed (too many hits?) – there’s a copy at http://download.yousendit.com/40CCB64E3D151329 until it expires.

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